71/76 # 102492 I'm not on PBBS From: ANONYMOUS on Thu Apr 27 12:14am but I must say that I see nothing wrong with what they are doing. I simply see it as a group of people with something in common getting together to discuss that which bonds them together without the having to deal with the annoyance of people not sharing the bond jumping in and posting all kinds of garbage between their messages. I don't think there would be too much hoot'n n howler'n if the common bond was somethinething other than being Christian. How many of you would complain if there was a restricted access board for ham radio operators or divorced singles? What's the difference? I think if you can just be honest with yourself you'll have to admit there's really no difference. As far the allegations that they are picking bbss to "work". So what if it is true? I believe "spreading the good news" is a fundamental tenant of Christianity. They're doing what they believe they should do. What's wrong with that? 72/76 # 102495 well, From: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA on Thu Apr 27 1:41am I define myself as christian, eh? ANy to take the stand against me? Cave Man is probably both more and less than christian.. The point? I've never been offered, acquainted with, et. al. this clique. if the ONLY critiria is being a christian, Please post the number, I'll get on and prove to you all that you have more criteria. Heh. The bible defines christian, I claim I follow the bibles definition of christian. So, when do I get access? 73/76 # 102501 O.K., here's the beginning From: EZEKIEL on Thu Apr 27 9:57am of your Biblical definitions of Christianity: Matthew 7:16-18 "You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit." Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." Colossians 3:12-15 "Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do. But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection. And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." 75/76 # 102503 What Ezekiel is From: BIFF: F.E.'S PARROT on Thu Apr 27 10:36am saying is, that you can talk the talk all that you want, but if you don't walk the walk (bear good fruit in your life) then it is meaningless. I know so many people that say they are christians, but when you look at their lives you just don't see the witness. We are supposed to shine as lights in this world of darkness. So many people just hide the light, and it isn't what God wants. I know, I was once the same. I said yeah sure, I am a Christian, but my life just didn't show it. But now, most can look at my life and say hey, there is something special about him, and they will ask me what it is.... So you cannot just say that you are a Christian without the outward signs. Biff 76/76 # 102516 What is a Christian.. From: FIRE ESCAPE on Thu Apr 27 2:17pm Also a Christian is one who has "deny himself and take up his cross and follow Jesus" (Matthew 16:24), he is one who has "confessed that Jesus is Lord...have believed with their heart and are justified.." (Romans 10:9,10). A Christian is a "new creation, the old person has passed away" (2nd Corinthians 5:17). He is one who loves God and love for God is obdediance to God's commands (1st John 5:3). He is one who believes that Jesus is the ONLY WAY, TRUTH and LIFE (John 14:6) and that Salvation comes in no other name (Acts 4:12). A Christian lives his life submitted to the gospel of Jesus and has been crucified with Christ. (James 4:7, 2nd Corinthians 10:5, 1st Peter 1:2 and Galatians 2:20). What you believe is evidenced by how you live and what you approve. "Blessed is the man that does not condemn himself by what he approves" (Romans 14:22). I have also changed my handle back to Fire Escape because it has been brought to my attention that certain users who strongly identify themselves with their handles were very bothered by my accepting such "rapes". So as to prevent stumbling these people, I have chosen to return to my handle for thier sake. At least you had some opportunity to judge the fact that I do indeed possess a sence of humor, it does exist! 62/88 # 102531 A Christian... From: SYSOP on Thu Apr 27 4:26pm A Christian is one who can't say a single sentence without paranthesis following (Mike 1:1). 63/88 # 102537 A Christian... From: TEMPEST on Thu Apr 27 5:09pm A Christian is one who can state his beliefs without the parenthesis as well, notice I haven't used Biblical verses ver batim in public yet. The question was one of what the Biblical definition of Christianity is. This demands looking in the Bible. 64/88 # 102559 Yes, it was me... From: TRITON on Thu Apr 27 9:33pm who changed Fire Escape's handle around. I have a sense of humor too, you know! 65/88 # 102572 IT sounds a lot From: THE KID on Fri Apr 28 1:56am like we have a "special" reading of what is required to meet the standard of our "Christians", eh what? First, we are STILL using at least an irritating version of the translated Bible. It is hardly in modern grammatical form. If FE has so many friends obsessed with translating the aramaic let's get some of those irritating quotations in modern form. Second, restrictive membership is quite obviously the practice of this board, and it amounts - equally obviously - to the type of restriction practiced in many racist and other discriminatory organizations in that "black balling" is obviously an option. I somehow doubt, for example, that myself or A.A. or Papa Bell are going to be "beloved" of the congregation there. No matter what we said. Point three, the board ain't JUST a self-help, fundamentalist LOVEFEST, it is a tool for propagation and propagandizing the "faith" outside that system. It is humorous at best to claim it is NOT used to plan infiltrations of systems where fundamentalism is neither wanted nor desirable. (Indeed, I might make the case that at least one board was RUINED by the infection, the pestilence, of constant "Christian" agitation.) As to the jackass comments aimed at S'Talon: I hardly IMAGINE he counts among his friends those who would THREATEN him with, in effect, excommunication from his cohorts if he does not cease and desist his unacceptable conduct. I say. These are really what you "Christians" call true friends? You only remain someone's friend so long as they do not question dogma? Or, probably more accurately, so long as they do not question YOUR VERSION of dogma? I daresay the feeling is a natural one in Fundamentalist, Shia Iran. It is hardly enlightened, American, or HUMANE. You may decide for yourselves if it "Christian" for I hardly dare to claim to even FATHOM the form of Christianity which would pronounce itself forgiving and generous that seems to CONTINUALLY DAMN those who stray from the flock. As they say where I grew up, "Y'all can sh!t on him quicker'n a goat with the runs..." Or as Mr. Churchill would put it, "Some Christians..." P.S. - I daresay there are those of us who are probably closer, TRUE friends in BBSLand who are not "Christians" for S'Talon, then there are among Project BBS's fanatics. Indeed, even among us who do not actively seek to consort with Tal, I suspect that is true. And, by the way, "Project BBS" HARDLY sounds like a simple Sunday School meeting place like it was described. In fact, we all know it has a much farther-reaching purpose than that. So the limited statement of its purpose is AT BEST a simplification, at worst a LIE. We know of its purpose, certainly. Can it be gainsaid that THIS cohort of computer fanatics would not have greater access than is imagined? After all, many make their living at it, eh? But what the hell, let them go on saying it is just a congregational...we know better. And now we know their names. Unless they lie more, we can "black ball" them elsewhere, yes? It seems that would be the "CHRISTIAN" thing to do, yes? Hmmm...food for thought. 66/88 # 102576 I define myself as a From: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA on Fri Apr 28 2:40am biblical christian. Having read the dribble. It makes no difference. I surpass most of you in the attitudes towards man, I am a total pasifist for one, not a situational one, eh? The point is valid. There are more criteria involved. I classify myself as a biblical christian. I am the only man empower to classify myself. No, I am not a fundementalist. And I am certainly not childish enough to be a literalist. But again I am a christian . Please publically post the number here so I may have access to the system where the ONLY criteria is to be a christian. 67/88 # 102582 More than From: S'TALON on Fri Apr 28 3:24am one BBS has been ruined. A while ago, Kid called the Project BBS a virus. I didn't beleive him then. Now, it seems he was right. And as far as Project BBS being in anyway Christian, their actions are more the actions of the House of Beelzebouls than they are of the House of Christ. And as far as the secrecy of the Christians, it seems they know what it takes to become tyrants® "The keystone of tyranny is secrecy" (Robert A. Heinlein) - Revolt in 2100® -S'Talon 68/88 # 102609 Shees... From: TEMPEST on Fri Apr 28 5:25pm talk about the Paranoid Personalities. I am AMAZED! Yeah, you know my name, should that make any difference? I'm not going to post some huge dissertation or sermon, such is not my style. What I am going to say is this: The Bible tells us what a Christian is -- that is criteria. Wee...a pacifist, so, I am a total pacifist as well...but them again, I am also considered liberal. Such venom is not becoming of y'all, how can I not doubt your motives and condition when you post with such anger? BTW, Kid, I can't pass judgement on S'Talon -- I will not. There are such things as dogma, but the Bible -- to a proclaiming Christian, should not be considered as such. I say that if the KKK or John Birch Society or some other group desires to meet, excluding those who do not agree with their philosophy, fine. They have a common belief, and for some one who regularly spouts off about freedom, you seem to desire to exclude those principles when it does not fit YOUR ideal. Freedom of Assembly, even BA Christians have that right. And you accuse US of being hypocritical, shees! A note of caution...and a call of truce. I consider y'all aquaintances, if not friends. For you to exclude any one of us solely on the basis of our religious conviction is predjudice. I do not condemn nor exclude any on this basis...such is not my right. Let us consider this then: What is the problem? Why do you feel threatened? 69/88 # 102631 DON'T FORGET From: HAWK on Fri Apr 28 9:22pm John 3:5, look it up-if you don't really know it. 70/88 # 102636 What hypocrisy. From: IRONMAN on Sat Apr 29 12:32am Childhood Trauma, if you are truly concerned about displaying your "Christian" beliefs, then perhaps you would care to share some insights that you have gained by reading the Bible. Also, if you really desire to join in the Christian discussions on Project BBS, perhaps you would also like to share in the personal Christian discussions that some of us are able to share from time to time. May we schedule a time that we could come by your house and share in the fellowship of Christ ? And I believe it was Kid who implied that some of us make a living from this. You are absolutely right. Absolutely. Oh, but not in the worldly sense you restrict yourself, too. Our "living" is of a different manner. Perhaps Childhood Trauma would care to explain. And for the matter of S'Talon being excommunicated : His choice. He knows it. I will repeat that. He K N O W S it. I will not allow S'Talon to straddle any fences here. He must make his choice. Choose Light. Or choose Darkness. HIS choice. AGAIN. For those anxious to become Christian members of Project BBS, may I suggest you identify yourselves ? Then , prior to your gaining access to PBBS, we could all discuss some , oh, parables. Yes, that would suit quite nicely, I think. Let us discuss some of the Parables as taught by Jesus. Well ? S'Talon, you may want to refresh your reading of the prodigal son. Note how his father welcomed him back with open arms. Without judging.