51/51 # 102090 Yama.. From: FREE SCAPEGOAT on Fri Apr 21 12:07am Do you honestly believe I was born a "Thumper"? NO, I spent my fair share of years in Atheism and Agnosticism like most folks. My parents didn't raise me this way, I decided on it when I had examined enough options to confidently decide I was making the intelligent and obviously best choice. I don't know anyone who hasn't struggled with conflicting ideas and philosophies. So where do you get off imagining that none of us have ever examined "the other side" as you call it. Most of us have been there, and unless you have been where we are, I'd say we have at least made a decision. I guess, I just want to challenge all people to look at the options before saying no to anything. I have regardless of what S'talon or some others might say. And to finally dispell these idiodic rumors that Project BBS is sent out by any offical "church" or even in any way desires to over take the boards, that's definitely just a fantasy that S'Talon likes to keep on the burner because reality isn't near as exciting I suppose. Once and for all, we are just a small bunch of Christian BBSers who are friends and share the same beliefs, there is no crime in that. Any way, Keep your minds open and don't let your brains fall out in the process. Fire Escape 46/76 # 102108 AGREED From: CAVE MAN on Fri Apr 21 6:03am I would go so far as to add that if you keep your minds open, your brains wont slam shut. Brains slamming shut is the problem that is annoying folks. A closed mind cannot accept new ideas irregardless of where they come from. I assume that we do agree that none of us are god-perfect, so neither is our interpretations of this world or the Bible. My example of the tree earlier was made to illustrate that although the tree is a clear example of gods work, it is still garbage to the extent that we dont understand it. I believe we are here to learn, so i get to learn. Those who think they are here to put someone's ideas down, spend thier time doing that instead of learning. (there is more, but it wont come out till i've had my morning coffee) 47/76 # 102121 I never said From: YAMASTYMIE on Fri Apr 21 2:42pm that you didnt look "at the other side". IT is nowhere in my post. In fact, I had no idea what your background was, so I didnt make the assumption. What I MEAN, however, is that the group called "thumpers"( I dont like that term) and the devout faithful (there is a difference) should re-examine/examine the opposite view more thoroughly. Firther the should read something other tjan the Bible if they havent and pay attention the True origins of the bible. Free scapegoat? Hmmmm, Switching to Freudian mode..... 48/76 # 102159 Yea, From: HAWK on Fri Apr 21 10:12pm People, somebody gets triped, and you guys just kick him. Come-on leave him alone if you can't write something usefull or be usefull, you'll only get out this what you put in it!!!! Treat others as you want to be treaded. and so on..... 49/76 # 102190 Project BBS... From: ADMIRAL AUTODIAL on Sat Apr 22 12:58pm (Oh boy...did I pick a good time to call back, or what?) FE, even though Project BBS may not be "officially sanctioned" by a church, it has become fairly well-known, among the "older" callers, at least, that it has been used as a hub to dispatch religious people around the area BBS's to "spread the word"...which is one reason why all the boards got into these religious debates in the first place. I mean, it's no big secret, y'know... 50/76 # 102212 Like, From: THE PRODIGAL SON on Sat Apr 22 10:44pm it never was meant to be a secret, man. 51/76 # 102219 Oh, From: ADMIRAL AUTODIAL on Sun Apr 23 10:59am of course not. Restricted access subboards where people are let in only if they qualify aren't supposed to be secret. I guess the act of dispatching users to intervene in religious "hot spots" that appeared on various boards wasn't supposed to be secret, either, but I never saw anyone volunteer this information... 52/76 # 102222 Heh... From: HYPERBOREAN MENACE on Sun Apr 23 11:38am That's ok... P.A.G.A.N. (People Against Goodness and Normality) has been dispatching atheists and agnostics to all the religious hot spots on various boards as well... Very covert... They'll probably kill me for having divulged this information... They have no regard for human life, you know. I have come to realize, in time, that religion is not necessarily so bad after all. I mean, aside their self-righteousness and ability to annoy anyone to the point of insanity, most Christians are basically nice people. I know "God" provides comfort and security to them. I see nothing wrong with that. I once needed that security myself, and have felt a longing for it many times. But I realized that by believing in a god, I'd only be fooling myself; using him (them) as a false sense of security. Maybe I'm just not ready to be saved... Maybe the Christians just aren't ready to leave their security blanket... All in due time... 53/76 # 102233 Well... From: DR MARVEL on Sun Apr 23 6:19pm Christians don't interpert the Bible. The Bible says what it says in plain understandable english. 54/76 # 102238 god, what a set-up From: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA on Sun Apr 23 7:56pm to easy, I'll pass on this one... 55/76 # 102250 I wont From: YAMASTYMIE on Sun Apr 23 9:49pm BAH! I have a helluva time with those thy's and thouests and I read quite well® Nuff said cause I dont care anymore® 56/76 # 102268 Thee's and Thou's.. From: FIRE ESCAPE on Sun Apr 23 11:41pm Not a ONE of them in my bible, I personally don't like reading the more archaic versions because the language is too difficult to understand because the words are outdated, the more modern versions use words that are common to our culture and time, these versions take the SAME information and put it in terms that are easier for us to understand. The would be the New International versions, and the paraphrased texts like The Today's English Version. The Bible doesn't have to be a dusty book on your bookshelf, it could be your guide to abundant life, the truth contained within transforms many lives everyday. 57/76 # 102284 Have to jump in From: S'TALON on Mon Apr 24 2:44am No, the newer versions just translate the thee's and the thou's (or thou shalt not) to do's and don'ts. 58/76 # 102290 BOTHER WAY... From: CAVE MAN on Mon Apr 24 5:55am I will second the point, more specifically. I am tired of TAL's version of project BBS. What, FE, is the story behind the project? There is nothing covert in Jesus's teachings. If it aint available to all, it's not the truth. And very important... Why the secrecy? [] CAVE MAN 59/76 # 102310 Ok... From: TEMPEST on Mon Apr 24 5:03pm First of all, I too am "ticked off" at fundamentalists and conservatives. But I'll leave it at that. Project BBS is a restricted access subbie, in which Christians can get on, and it serves the following purposes: 1) Discuss purely Biblical and Evangelical matters, for instance, reading Bible studies, topics, ect. Used as a data base for Biblical material. 2) Christian discussions (i.e. like the "dispute" between Warrior and I) that would probably BORE most of you to death. 3) Prayer requests 4) Helpful excerpts from Books and Verses by authors such as A.W.Tozer, Josh McDowell, Carnell, C.S.Lewis, ect. That is about it, I've found PBBS to be helpful, but on the whole, you guys would find it kinda boring, considering the subject matter. 60/76 # 102326 That's correct.. From: FIRE ESCAPE on Mon Apr 24 8:23pm You have special intrest subs on many boards, PBBS is a Christian special intrest sub that caters to a special interest group, big deal. If you would like to see it, I can arrange for you to visit, but don't feel like we are sneaking around, cus we aren't. Would we be hear discussing the matter if we were, we certainly have made no secret of our beliefs or why we are posting them, as Marlin, AA, and Hype can all atest to, as their boards has subbies just like this one at one point or another. So if anyone has any questions, send me some mail, I'll be glad to answer them as best I can. In the interim, let's continue or discussion on God, Is it then the concensus that the universe is Ordered, or Chaotic? My vote is for ordered. 61/76 # 102349 I vote... From: TEMPEST on Mon Apr 24 10:43pm for Order. WHAT IS HIS NAME? (P.I.D.; FE knows ). Chaos can always be broken down into probabilities, and if science becomes precise enough, man can calculate the chances and therefore the results of numerous situations. Will be interesting to see the view on supernatural THEN! Just interjecting... 62/76 # 102377 Chaotic From: S'TALON on Tue Apr 25 12:00pm As order is breaking down, via 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Everything goes to entropy. 63/76 # 102391 ORDER From: EZEKIEL on Tue Apr 25 3:48pm I vote for ORDER, despite what S'talon said in his previous post. True, the universe IS breaking down as per the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, however, there is still order. If the universe is completely chaotic, how come you're not a blob of dead flesh? Yechhh! 64/76 # 102418 how do we know From: YAMASTYMIE on Tue Apr 25 6:44pm that we arent? 65/76 # 102422 Maybe Stymie'Talon From: BIFF: F.E.'S PARROT on Tue Apr 25 7:29pm Really is just a mass of dead flesh? That would answer alot of my questions. Anyway, I guess it is time for me to add my 2 bits. Well, first off, I know thermodynamics. (Got an A in it at UMSL) Yeah so what if everything tends to go to disorder. (God know's how you have been since you banished Fire Escape from your life). A bit of a tip having nothing to do with preaching or anything like that, But S'Talon, you only get so many true friends, under no circumstances should you banish them. And second off, if everything really is going to disorder, why is it that we advance so much you are applying the principle wrongly. My life used to be one helluva a mess, but no more. Through Christ all things are possible is my motto. Oh well, no preaching from me..... By the way(?) is there anyone out there that is part of The Way Ministry, or do any of anybodies friends belong to it. No that wasn't addressed to you S'Talon. If anyone answered yes to the above question, send me E-mail. This brings up one helluva good point S'Talon, you told F.E. that she can't be all that bad since she got me out of the way ministry even if you don't agree with what she believes. You are weird. I guess you figure (or whatever your mind does) that F.E. is the lesser of two evils???? Orange Biff: Fried Scrapegoat's personal Parrot 66/76 # 102436 Chaos yes From: ANONYMOUS on Wed Apr 26 1:26am but it's an orderly sort of chaos® Least that's what I think. 67/76 # 102456 ORDER From: CAVE MAN on Wed Apr 26 10:08am Yes order, but not driven by a personal mythical superinteligence(god, in this context). Not secret? I must object, you have noticed that i have been active in Religious discussions since before you started. But i have never seen nor been offered a peek at any suboard mentioning Project BBS. I was in no way notified that it exsisted. Which means the criteria for selection of members was not the above list. If i have been excluded, who else? I dont think i want youou defining what i find boring. This is directed to FE, but is not E-mail because i think it is a VERY public issue. If it is too public, i can move it to politics where i think it belongs.(by topic) 68/76 # 102464 oh I agree Cave Man From: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA on Wed Apr 26 2:16pm It isn't open to christians Just a self defined sub-set. Heh. Seems they have a closed system and a secret system. Gee, Now THAT smacks of the tenants of christianity, does it not? Secrecy and exclusion? heh heh heh They seem to want to work so hard in such a darkened place to bring forth the light. Or at least the few colors of THAT spectrum they advocate. The truth is. nothing more, nothing less, manipulation can do nothing for or against the truth. Does wonders for lies and half-truths thou... 69/76 # 102467 Hold On... From: TEMPEST on Wed Apr 26 4:05pm Membership on PBBS is extended to Christians. It is a Christian special-interest sub-board. Christian, meaning one who belongs to Christ, God over all. Now, this means that the person must be a CHRISTIAN! I've seen people on there that I disagree with, but we all have the common bond of trusting in Jesus Christ, who is Lord, Savior, God. Most of us are Trinitarians, and I can only think of one Arian (Jesus is sub-God). By nature of BIBLICAL definition, this excludes heretics, New Age, occultic followers, witches, apostates (those who say, yeah, God is great, but I am still going to disobey His Word), and the like. Most persons on PBBS believe (if not all) in the Bible as the Word of God. If you do not believe in this, which is what makes a Christian a Christian, then what business would you have or desire to have on a Christian special-interest subbie? Besides, like FE said, she can arrange a visit or something if you are THAT curious. Asta... 70/76 # 102470 And furthermore... From: EZEKIEL on Wed Apr 26 5:30pm we get our criteria for defining who is a Christian from the Bible itself, in case you are wondering where we get the right to say who is or is not a Christian!