12/19 # 107368 the problem From: YAMABUSHI on Sat Jun 24 2:46pm is the abiguity of the bible that allows for such consciousness-squeezing ideals to creep up. Today's life is not as dangerous as the life of 1800 the fiath must change. Sutras are much clearer and if misunderstood the consequences are less drastic. Faith has power but it shouldnt scare it's followers into submission. The follower must find his own faith for it to work for him. 13/19 # 107961 ... From: BARFING CAT ()]|-) on Fri Jun 30 8:35pm No, you expressed yourself very well, Greek. I agree with most of your points, and you may have stubled upon a few things. :-) 18/19 # 108125 Hm.. From: JIMI on Sun Jul 2 3:20am Life is like a mirror... These suroundings are just refections of us.... No, FE it isn't Christian... Your only as pure as the water and the water isn't that pure... (Get a glass of City Water and see..) 19/19 # 108186 jimi From: YAMABUSHI on Sun Jul 2 5:04pm absolutely true. 9/22 # 108863 Hmmmm.. From: FIRE ESCAPE on Sun Jul 9 12:11pm Well IS there anything anyone wants to say? If not, I just want to tell everyone about what I gleened from a week at C-Stone this year. It's an event that I never return unchanged from. After five days of sharing with thousands of Christians from all over the nation, you tend to get a better perspective on things. The theme this year was Family Reunion. Not only did we have our faith challenged and strengthened, but our cultural tied were crossed again and again as we learned how God had come to reach so many people from so many walks of life. Old people, young people, Rich people, poor people, Trendies, Punks and conservatives and liberals. A complete exercise of the spirit. Randall Terry was a speaker I was very moved by. He called us to repent of complacency and to be active. If you really believe something, live accordingly. Something many of us often forget. 10/22 # 108871 well From: A FINE RED MIST on Sun Jul 9 2:56pm Ive no problem with that last, FEŽ Being complacent isnt good. C-Stone sounds like it was really good for ya. Yama "in a loving mood, but slightly helpless" bushi 11/22 # 108876 I've nothing From: S'TALON on Sun Jul 9 4:55pm to say, Religous arguments don't lead anyway, but I'm glad FE and crew had a good time at C-Stone. 12/22 # 108918 Yeah... From: JOHNNY B on Mon Jul 10 2:16am I can agree with what the speaker said entirely... if you believe something, you HAVE to live it... too many ppl don't, and are complete hypocrites... I just can't stand that... 13/22 # 108941 Ok... From: PHOENIX on Mon Jul 10 11:21am so this is me agreeing with it, too. 14/22 # 108946 WOW! From: A FINE RED MIST on Mon Jul 10 12:04pm an agreement on the PulpitĄ Its never happened! Yama "in the midst of peculiar guilt" bushi 15/22 # 108966 Wowzers Batman! From: TEMPEST on Mon Jul 10 6:17pm Another vote of agreement...Consistency and the avoidance of hypocricy is a major test of truth...There is nothing more pitiful than one who stamps a label upon their forehead and then makes no attempt to live the label. Something about "taking names in vain"??? 16/22 # 108993 I also agree, From: THE PRODIGAL SON on Mon Jul 10 10:40pm and I also was there. And it was, as previously said, excellent! Anyone want to go with us next year? 17/22 # 109015 What if your doctrine is to From: TRITON on Tue Jul 11 12:41am be a hypocrite? Then, if you are a hypocrite, you are only following your doctrine, and are not a hypocrite. *CONTRADICTION!* Just an odd thought late at night. 18/22 # 109030 This is strange. From: JOHNNY B on Tue Jul 11 1:59am But then again, it makes sense. The type of ppl who haven't filtered the pulpit are the type of ppl who stand up for their beliefs, whatever they are... 19/22 # 109043 It would.. From: PHOENIX on Tue Jul 11 2:57am be stupid not to stick up for your beliefs. And THAT IS MY belief!! 20/22 # 109078 hipocrisy From: A FINE RED MIST on Tue Jul 11 1:22pm to be a hypocrite intentionally breeds hypocrisy. Therefore, one must refrain from being one in order to be one effectively. 21/22 # 109091 Uh, yeah... From: JOHNNY B on Tue Jul 11 3:31pm Whatever, Yama... -Lost by the dazzling logic... 22/22 # 109108 Wow.. From: FIRE ESCAPE on Tue Jul 11 5:57pm I'm glad we all agree that complacency and hypocrisy is terrible. I was sweatin' there a while wondering if everyone was going to disagree with me again. I'm releived to know everyone shares the view that one ought to live in consistency with their beliefs. Now to tell you a little more about what Randall Terry said. You see, Randall Terry is the leader of Operation Rescue. He (and I as well) believe that unborn babies are real live full human beings and to sit by and allow them to be "aborted" (read: murdered) is to make ourselves accomplices to their murder. Therefore we have to intervene to prevent people from being killed. Since this is our belief, we would be HYPOCRITES to not act accordingly would be not? If you were among the above people that agree with that, then you must also agree that we must follow our convctions no matter what it costs us personally. We can't just pick and choose when we want to live consistent lives. We can't say abortion is murder and then live like it's not! You don't have to agree with my stand on abortion, but at least grant me the right to not live as a hypocrit in silence to it. Fire Escape 23/23 # 109112 The 10 commandments ... From: FIRE ESCAPE on Tue Jul 11 7:23pm I was asked by a friend to post a little on the commandments. Most people think they are pretty "good" by the standards of the 10 commanments. But in actuality, most of us have broken all of them. Here's a little comentary on them, you decide for yourself... 1)You should have no other gods before the living God. This means we should not allow anything or anyone to take 1st place in our hearts - that spot belongs to God. Is Self your god? Is Money your god? Is your job your god? It's all idolatry. 2)More explicitly, you should not worship false gods or follow idols. 3)You should never misuse the name of God. Have you ever spit out a God D---? or Exclaimed "Oh G--!" when God was the last thing on your mind? Have you ever told bad jokes about God? 4)Remeber to keep a sabbath day and do no labor on it. Do you take time off from your buzy schedule to honor God and worship Him? Or do you squeeze God into your spare time? 5)Honor your father and mother. Have you ever treated your parents with disrespect, have you ever disobeyed them? 6)You should not murder (Murder is the intentional killing of a human). Jesus said that anyone who hates his brother or neighbor without cause or refuses to forgive them is guilty of murder in his heart. 7)You should not commit adultery. This is the abuse of Sex in every form. Premarital, extramarital and homosexual. Jesus said if you lust after someone in your heart you have committed adultery. HOw is your fantasy life doing? 8)You should not steal. As with the previous two, the lust to take which is not yours, greed and the love of money all fall under this. Ever been really jealous or envious? 9)You should not lie or slander. Pretty self explanitory. This includes deceit and witholding the truth when it is expected. 10)Don't covet other people's possessions. A further extension of theft, for those who didn't catch it the first time around. Don't lust after other people's possessions! I've broken ALL of these, how about you? 24/33 # 109115 Incidentally, From: TRITON on Tue Jul 11 7:43pm the 'friend' who asked FE to post the above explanation was none other than myself. Just a reminder that one cannot seriously claim to disagree with anything, even Christianity, if one does not know what one is disagreeing with. :) 25/33 # 109117 Informative... From: TEMPEST on Tue Jul 11 7:50pm First, concerning Abortion. Interesting that the government is trying to prosecute women who have children dead or deformed due to cocaine addiction for child abuse or manslaughter. It is also interesting that pro-abortion organizations are fighting the governments actions. Hmmm, seems that if a women can abuse a child in the womb, that the child would have RIGHTS. Very interesting... That a woman would WANT or "NEED" an abortion is a tragedy, that an abortion would be performed is a travesty. Second, concerning the Law. Interesting commentary Fe. About the "taking God's name in vain," wouldn't this apply to any individual who called himself a "man (or woman) of God" but did not act according to God's will. Hypocricy is also a way of "taking God's name in vain." I guess the other discussion "fizzled out?" 26/33 # 109129 . From: S'TALON on Tue Jul 11 9:17pm Do what thou wilt as long as ye harm none. Love is the essence of the Law. Love your neighbor and love and protect the Earth that begat and nourishes you. 27/33 # 109141 hear there! From: LYING IN A PINE BOX on Tue Jul 11 11:41pm Good post S'talonŽ melikeumŽ Nothing is as simple as it seems. 28/33 # 109169 Sigh... From: JOHNNY B on Wed Jul 12 3:16am I liked it sooooo much better when we were all agreeing... but if I really wanted that, I guess I'd filter this whole thing, so... back to real life... A> Abortion - I do not stand against those who stand against abortion. I myself am against abortion, but I do not consider myself a hypocrite for being pro-choice. To me, the gift of Free Will is the greatest thing God endowed us with, and we cannot FORCE God on anyone. We can persuade them, we can offer the alternatives, but in the end the choice must be theirs. THAT'S why I'm pro-choice, and that's why I will remain that way. However, I *AM* against those 'christians' who picket abortion clinics and end up getting violent, beating up those that try to enter, bombing the clinics, etc... this, to me, is the highest sin... hypocisy to God. B> Ten Commandments - In their stated form, I will admit I have not complied with all the Ten Commandments. In your form, FE, I have not complied with any of them. But I cannot agree with your form anyway... that's going into the realm of ThougtCrime, setting up God as Big Brother... is it a sin to have a wet dream under these rules? Or how about thinking about driving instead of God when your in a car? The last is just a safety thing... I can only have one thing in the FRONT of my mind at a time, and it can't ALWAYS be God... I just can't see those as being accurate... but if they are, I admit I'm hell-bound anyway and you shouldn't even bother listening to me... C> To agree with Tal... "Love is the Law... Love under Will." -I remember when I used to think I could be on a BBS without letting anyone know about my religious preferences... do you know that I'm considered a Satanist on many boards? Why is that? 29/33 # 109176 Well, Biff here with his From: LANCE on Wed Jul 12 6:10am two cents worth. Nice post Fire Escape. Ummm, Oliver, If you agree with the idea that God gave us free will, then can you not also accept the fact that God gave us rules to live by in order to honor him? Tal, are you possibly a psychic? How do you know what will harm another until it is done. I have seen you go against your own rule there bud. How about the little scene in Steak n' Shake when you threatened me with your stupid umbrella cuz I said "Hi, How ya doin?" That hurt me a great deal, I did nothing to you, and you hurt me. Not physically of course, that is not possible (by you anyway), but nonetheless, you hurt me mentally to make me think that I offended you enough with my saying hi that you would want to attack me. C'mon don't call others hypocrites (note the correct spelling Yama--giggle) unless you want to be judged the same. Oh well, enough talk from someone who left the boards a coupla weeks ago. Biff: Alive and Well on the BBS's 30/33 # 109186 Abortion From: BRETT FRANKENBERGER on Wed Jul 12 7:42am Although i feel that abortion i wrong, i would never force my opinion on others. It is till not clear exactly when life begins (as a medical fact) ... therefore i feel that it (abortion) is a religeous question, and i am not going to try and force my religion on anyone else ... I think that abortion protestor who try to prevent a woman from having an abortion are just forcing their religion on others, no different than them trying to pass a law requiring that everyone in the united states be of one religion. 31/33 # 109190 Well, From: TRITON on Wed Jul 12 10:40am I think it is a shame to have to abort an unwanted pregnancy, but if groups are trying to outlaw abortion, they should be spending an equal amount of time to promote contraception. After all, people will have sex anyway. It seems to me that from a Christian standpoint, a love child would be less likely to become a Christian and get saved (because of bad parental role models), so it would be better to never have conceived the child in the first place, hence the need for contraception. If we look at European countries, such as Holland, we find a 90% lower rate of unwanted pregnancy and abortion than here. That is because the Dutch school system teaches contraception and allows free access to contraceptives starting from puberty. In their system, it is OK to have sex as long as you are careful. Therefore people do it for fun, not out of rebellion, much much fewer unwanted children are born, and overall it seems to be better on society all around.