99/100 # 102937 Deeds From: S'TALON on Thu May 4 12:19am Deeds are what makes a follower of God, not this useless dribble of words coming from yonder thumpers' mouths. CT probably lives a better life than all of you thumpers put together. At least he tries to follow what he beleives in, which is more than can be said for above thumpers. As far as love, I know about agapos, and I have been in many thumper churches, including the one FE goes to, and there is not a trace of agapos in ANY of them. Not one bit. There is in its place atagonism, lust of power, money-grabbing, censorship, preaching to burn records and books the Nazgul preacher does not like. There is only a few organizations that I have found any trace of agapos in, and no church is among those few. I wonder if Ironman knows that it is extremely annoying and squidly to post 5 messages in a row. If you are going to dribble, please restrain it to one post at a time. Ironman, you also claim in a previous post that CT is not a Christian, by saying "That is bunk, I know it, you know it, everyone knows it". How do you know it Ironman? Are you God? Who made you into a deity? Your not, so how can you judge? Ironman, if you thumpers were my friends, then you thumpers wouldn't have kicked me out of your church, nor posted that slanderous message about me on GE, nor kicked me in the face when I tried to make peace, nor talk behind my friggin' back. (The above direcrted to all thumpers except Tempest and Biff). Biff- I have nothing personal against you. I don't agree with a lot of your philosphies, but you have done nothing slanderous or deceitful against me yet. Somehow, I wonder how any of these thumpers know anything about love. To have love, also takes honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness, which the thumpers do not have at all. Also, if thumpers are so good, then why has the ACLU had to defend us from them taking our civil rights away from us. (Someone from the ACLU correct me if I'm wrong) But it seems that they bring a lot of cases up against religous fanatics becuase they try to censor this or that book, or harass or terrorize people they don't like etc. Thank God for the ACLU, we'd probably be living in a fascist state without them. 100/100 # 102942 gee can we get into a From: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA on Thu May 4 1:08am debate of literism as illogical? I am all for that. Do it logically, and christian as well. But if there is gonna be a war, then I will war, not debate. Ah, I still love it, my christianity is being questioned by those who do not know me. The fruits are questioned. I plant knowledge, thought, and humor, if these bear not god, what then do they bear? My love is questioned. I'll give both my life and my sould for another. I have no choice. It is the only moral path. Perhaps these commitments are impotent against your, eh, greater love. So be it. So, to stem the dribble, and leave my war state: To be a christian means to follow the path of right. The path of right is rooted in love, by supported by deeds. The is no greater step to be taken on your path than to help another take a step on theirs. There is no greater way to take a step than to mentally examine the step and the destination the step will point you towards... There is nothing to be gained from soft support. From a gathering of week like-minded indiviudals for an evening of dribble dogma and crutch supporting. There is no more important and perfect time in life than a crises of faith in any area. Crises are re-alignments and re-evaluments. if the crises were not so emotionally draining, I'd certainly attempt to be always at that point. There is no point to literalism. We are mental infants. See children's first books on the literalness of science. heh heh heh. The point is all, the words are nothing until they are flesh... The keepers of the old testiment, those with the most bible time under their belts recognize the place of the teaching parable and to most of them wether a parable is absolute truth, partial truth or absolute parable is really unimportant. Literalism is impossible to obtain anyway, I can point to the individuals, the contradicts arise, man interprets the literal to remove the contradiction. Such is not a literal path. The bible stopped being literal the second after the passage occured real time. In a battle between logic and a twisted literal position. toss the literalist position® Any other questions? Perhaps you would all care to share your love with me and S'talon instead of trying so hard to prove us not what we claim to be Oh well, god calls, I gotta run. The big guy hates talking to my answering machine. . 90/102 # 102966 Well, CT if you only knew From: BIFF: F.E.'S PARROT on Thu May 4 4:02pm A coupla Sundays ago S'Talon came up to the radio station and basically told everyone:(FE and her husband and Bonk) that he was going to banish (stay away and be seperated from) them from his life. We talked to S'Talon for awhile and he left. He is always welcomå (isn't that right FE, to come back anytime he wants, He is loved more than you will ever know. So guys, you need to get the whole picture of these eople's lives before you condemn them and their love (that which you call hypocricy). They unlike so many others really do care about you all. So try talking to them in person not just on the boards. You (S'Talon) condemn FE and friends for being so antagonistic towards you, what in the hell are you doing? You sound horribly antagonistic to me from what I have read. And there is nothing wrong with FE's fellowship. I have been there and there is plenty of Agape (what is agapos?) they care but you just are looking for someone to condemn. They are not money-grabbibg, they have yet to even say anything about a donation. Get It Straight Please. And you CT, something about helping others in time of crises, no-one of you except for Hype even offered any consolation about my recent experience. S'Talon plain and flat out said who cares. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Mean what you say. The only people that offered any consolation where what you call the thumpers. 93/102 # 102974 Ok, gigs up... From: TEMPEST on Thu May 4 4:48pm This is addressed to all: Too many boards and associations have been injured by grudge bearing and hate mongering, let us not stoop to that. I just wanted to interject that we all need to take a breather and calm down. CT: I would enjoy continuing the discussion on literalism and the inerrancy of the Bible on SLACC BBS (I have more time there). It is an interesting topic, and I hope that we might be able to exchange ideas. As far as your Christianity is concerned, that is primarily between you and God. I have my own cooky views on evangelism and the nature of salvation, so I won't debate whether you are or are not, that STILL isn't my place. Understanding the Bible is ESSENTIAL to walking in the Light that Christ has shed, that is the main issue. I can't really determine if you have a relationship with God, and I don't think that anyone else can either ('cept God). S'Talon: Keep smiling and try to understand. It's a hard road to follow, and it gives you many ways to lose, but if you stand strong, not on your own power, then you can be a righteous overcomer. 94/102 # 103026 biff From: CHILDHOOD TRAUMA on Fri May 5 12:58am When did i mention S'talon except to make the statement that he is more identifible and was unable to remain? And when did you show us your stains? S'talon, perhaps was told, I certainly wasn't. One has to see the spot before one can try to remove it. heh. condem us for all. heh heh heh. 95/102 # 103029 Will you all please From: ANONYMOUS on Fri May 5 1:25am SHUT UP! I don't hardly believe it but I think that if this nonsense doesn't stop real soon I'll be filtering this board for a good long while. I hope that when I unfilter it all you Christians haven't all ran away into hiding on PBBS or whatever it is. I for one would definitely miss the Christians' points of view on the various issues, but lately the only issue seems to be to try to establish whom is better than whom. Would you please take all the personal attacks, bickering, and name calling to e-mail where it belongs. Or better yet just end it completely. 96/102 # 103031 Hmmmm.... From: JIMI on Fri May 5 2:49am Interesting... So than that I take it that Chaos is being defined as Sin.. I would define it more as a cruder definition of Karma.. Seems to work alot better if you understand the "Primary" Laws of Physics.. Negitive Action begets negitive action and Positive Action begets positive action.. Of course than you have to believe with this theorem that "Love" in all of it's different phases makes the world go around.. It was a wise man who once said that religion is 2000 years before science... 97/102 # 103061 No, not sin... From: EZEKIEL on Fri May 5 8:29pm Chaos is not defined as sin. It is defined as 'disorder'. However, chaos IS a result of sin. Put another way, sin is the primary cause of chaos. Sin is Biblically defined as rebellion against God. 98/102 # 103071 oh? From: MASTER OF THE LIGHTS on Fri May 5 8:58pm I never knew that. Really, i didn't. 99/102 # 103091 . From: HAWK on Sat May 6 1:01am Why is there all of this name calling and all of this other junk, this bord should be called something else, not anything to do with christ or god. If somebody has a qustion het them ask with out be put-down. And try to answer it in E-mail so there no confison. 100/102 # 103098 Fascinating. From: THE KID on Sat May 6 3:50am Let me say again, you ought to read ALL of my message... First, Ironman, I don't CARE what you said. It WAS annoying because you wasted so many messages TRYING to make your point. S'Talon is right. THAT conduct is not generally accepted on MTABBS. Period. 4K messages are the limit. Figure it out. As for Ironman and ALL of the "Christians" KNOWING that Childhood Trauma is not CHRISTIAN ENOUGH for you, I find this outrageous. I know for a fact (indeed, from experience) that CT would kick and scream if ANY system CLAIMED it was using an objective system of intake (e.g. being a "christian" by personal claim) as opposed to a system of interrogation and preferential treatment (e.g. do you agree with OUR reading of these sections of the bible?). Whaty Ironmen implies is VERY subjective. The Supreme COurt in Hopkins v. Price Waterhouse, just two weeks ago, said such conduct in the employment context was SUSPECT CONDUCT, a violation of individual rights unless justified by highly important state ends... I hardly imagine SLACC is bending over backwards to let in people who disagree with your PARTICULAR and UNIQUE "Christian" viewpoint. Let me make a point: MTABBS USED TO BE UNINFECTED by Project BBS and the "Christian" plague. Now we are TWO boards when we used to be THREE. In part this is because of the "Christians" infecting and driving off the interesting interaction on MTABBS. SO you SLACC people want to protect your precious little domain from the HEATHENS like me and CT? But you want - no, DEMAND - access to MTABBS? EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? You RUINED ONE SYSTEM and now try to RUIN OTHER SYSTEMS, yet you want your home port safe and unmolested by the unbelievers? May I comment, for all the older MTABBSers, S**** YOU?!? As for Tempest being the peacemaker, I hardly imagine attacking CT in the same breath as one claims to hold the wisdom of Solomon in one's post is worthy of comment...It certainly is not the conduct of peacemaking. Tempest also thinks that "rhetoric" doesn't mean anything but Bible quotes mean everything. Let me say that that is close to being moronic. The Bible is FILLED with rhetoric. Indeed, it IS rhetoric if you use the classical sense of the term "rhetoric" (the use of words in the art of argumentation). The New Testament is obviously a vast SEA of argumentation as well as presentations of biased evidence, certainly inadmissable in any court... ŠAt any rate, I return to the issue NONE of you "Christians" addressed: WHAT DO YOU DO WITH JEWS? WHAT OF THE JEWS, damn it! The Jews believe in half the Bible yet you "Christians" act as though the Bible is ONLY the New Testament and NEVER say A THING about the Old... I hardly wonder at the disaffection of the Jewish Community form the fundamentalist Christians when "Christians" pretend Jews had nothing to do with the holy writ...if only it weren't a fact that Jews wrote EVERY SINGLE WORD OF THE BIBLE...heck, forget it, they don't matter, right??? I hope God is Hassidic... it would serve the "Christians" right. Biff: DO NOT EVEN TRY to speak for me. I said what I said. ANSWER MY COMPLAINTS don't sit there whinning about how I am only being biased or speaking from prejudice, etc. (And I don't GIVE A DAMN if you LOVE me...) SPEAK TO THE ISSUES. I dare you. Why isn't Childhood Trauma acceptable, for example? I don't want "Christians" here now. But you dod not address CT's 'plaint if you whine that I am not being fair... As for FE: she's good at avoiding issues, but why does she want to infiltrate MTABBS but not openly advocate MTABBS membership in SLACC? MTABBS lets people join more easily - MTABBS is MORE AMERICAN??? But SLACC is behind its IRON CURTAIN, yes? How very christian of you... I don't want an entrance exam to use a system, I want ACCESS or I want that System's followers OUT of my HOME...in this case, MTABBS... That is only fair...as far as I am concerned. It wouldn't be if we were talking about anyone else, of course, but SLACC has served its purpose in wrecking part of MTABBS. 101/102 # 103126 OK enough is enough... From: BIFF: F.E.'S PARROT on Sat May 6 4:23pm First off Kid: When did I try to speak for you, if I did, it was not purposeful. I don't even speak your language. And Secondly, I never said anything about loving you. Check the Book of Biff. It reads, "Thou shalt not be a Stymie, and under no circumstances shalt thou love one...." If you condemn me about the Stymie bit, then you are wrong, since you don't know what it means... Secondly, S'Talon: Why did you tell Tony (Cobra) that I said you were better off dead? I never said such a thing, and unlike you, I condemn none. How many times do I have to say this? I have nothing against you, I don't even know you... Everyone else, this namecalling and childish bickering must stop, or I might just follow Anonymous and start filtering this board. 102/102 # 103136 And as I have said.. From: FIRE ESCAPE on Sat May 6 7:02pm several times previous... SLACC is open for anyone to call, the number as posted before is still the same, and my offer is still open. Again, you can reach us at 947-0895 and send me E-Mail on SLACC requesting access to PBBS. If you don't do that, there's not much I can do for you. We have nothing to hide and we would very much like to talk to every one of you there. It's still beyond me what certain users see as the big injustice here. I can name at least eight boards that have closed subs for men and women (why? Because they share interests common to their sex) so why the complaints about PBBS being a spcial interest sub? SLACC is an open system, we don't even require validation UNLIKE MTABBS, anyone can call and post with the same priviledges as any other user. So again, if there is such a huge interest in the subject, how come not one person has sent me mail about it?? I tend to think people are making a mountain out of a molehill. Be my guest.