Name: Lisa #361 Date: 9:46 pm Sat May 06, 1989 Once a typical religous type person told me that Satan was manifesting himself everywhere. His proof - He said that the numbers 666 were in every bar code when you buy things at the grocery store! I am not making this up. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 1:27 am Sun May 07, 1989 I didn't notice- but Im sure it because Satan rules¡ Forgget the question Ironman, you can't answer it anyway® Beware of large and small magnetized objects. Name: Walt #431 Date: 1:39 am Mon May 08, 1989 Greek: What is Satan? 50/50: Did you know.. Name: Fire Escape #62 Date: 5:21 pm Mon May 08, 1989 That there is no verse in the Bible that says you HAVE to go to some building at un-Godly hours of every Sunday morning to "go through the motions" of worshipping God?? The reason people do that is not because the Bible says to, but because of TRADITION. No where has God ever INSPIRED TRADITION. In fact Jesus blasted "religious tradition" all to pieces. Check this out.. "Jesus replied, 'Why do you break the command of God for the sake of your traditions?...You nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain: their teachings are but rules taught by men!'" - Matthew 15:3,6-9. What is the point of following a tradition when your heart is not in it? Do you honestly think this PLEASES God? Jesus said it doesn't. Paul said in Romans 12:1 that our LIVES lived in obediance to God's will is how we worship God the most. Fire Escape ============================================================================== THE MESSAGE BASE BBS -------------------- To ->Fire Escape From ->Head of Swings (#36) Sub ->Say what?????? Date SU 06/08/89 12:37:47 PM Bessie? Dogs? Alpo? Surely there must be a better way to explain your perseveration with Christianity. I am greatly offended that you presume that interest in matters spiritual is contingent upon acceptance of Jesus. Spirituality was a concern of mankind long before his existence. And it will be long after he is forgotten. To ->Fire Escape From ->MR. MOO (#141) Sub ->Why don't you cool it Date SU 06/08/89 05:45:51 PM I don't want to be preached at! I DON'T belive that Jesus was the sone of God. It's not that I haven't reached your "supreme intelligence and richual of religious worshiping and belifes", it's that I don't WANT to be!! To ->MR. MOO (#141) From ->SONGBIRD (#45) Sub ->What the world needs... Date ->06/08/89 07:51:21 PM is a BBS church! Devout believers could log on at 300 and savor every word. People like me, who have trouble being hammered at by others' beliefs (thank you, Head of Swings and Mr. Moo) could log on at 2400. I'm a fast reader but if I keep pressing return the messages scroll by too fast to read. A real benefit sometimes. Religious movies are just like movies about love, or friendship, or aliens. If well done they hold your interest. If not, it just doesn't matter when you go for your popcorn, and go ahead and take your time about it. Having a 'religious' subject gives no movie any kind of automatic boost. To ->all From ->Frank Tang (#111) Sub ->religion Date ->06/09/89 06:34:19 PM I used to believe in god, buô then I got better. Sort of a recovery from a sickness, yoõ might say. But even when I was a god groper, I found religiouó movies to be dull. To ->Fire Escape From ->Timothy Leary (#16) Sub ->Christians Date ->06/10/89 08:04:55 AM I have seen many times in your post a wondering of why people resent "Christians". When you say inane things like "Until one is born of the sprit through regeneration in Jesus. God is of no real interest to one". How do you expect people to react? I and all the people who came before me who are Jewish have believed in the one God long before Jesus walked this earth and you Christians insult my religious beliefs by trying to male salvation contingent Šon belief in Jesus. Give me a break there is no one way to God> To ->Timothy Leary (#16) From ->SONGBIRD (#45) Sub ->Yeah!!!!! You tell 'em!!! Date ->06/10/89 10:32:30 AM Not only that but!!!!! Not everyone who believes in God believes that salvation is necessary! Not everyone who believes in God believes that the concept of 'salvation' is anything but a group-held fantasy! Not everyone who believes in God believes in hell, or for that matter heaven or any sort of after-life! (Don't start ascribing all these comments to my personal belief system because not all of them are true about what I believe.) I enjoy Timothy Leary's and Head of Swing's posts because they express their own personal beliefs only. They don't tell others what to believe but reveal a part of themselves. I intensely dislike posts which assume there is only one 'true' religion, or that others ought to share in a certain system of beliefs. There has to be room for everyone's comments, and I shall continue to scoot past posts which don't meet these personal standards of mine. It's one thing to find out what another person believes. It's quite another to be told that only one person's beliefs are the only way to go and that something terrible will happen to me if I don't agree. To ->all From ->Frank Tang (#111) Sub ->newspaper prayer Date ->06/10/89 04:17:32 PM I have a question for anù catholics reading this: there's a prayer to St. Jude that ió printed (sometimes several times) in the classifieä sectiions of local newspapers. It ends: "Say this prayer threå times a day for ten days. It has never been known to fail." The implication is given that your prayer will be answered (not that you will get what you asked for, but the the prayer will be answered--after all, the answer could be "no"). This all seems like a terrible waste of time and money. Doeó anyone know the church's 'official' opinion on this? To ->Frank Tang (#111) From ->SONGBIRD (#45) Sub ->Dunno what the church says... Date ->06/11/89 01:59:39 PM I have a very religious friend (in the more traditional sense) who believes deeply in prayer and maintains that prayers are always answered. It's just that the answer often is 'no.' To ->All From ->Fire Escape (#112) Sub ->Prayers Date ->06/21/89 12:56:15 PM The Christian position on prayer is that if one approaches God the Father through Jesus in prayer (and of course faith in whom you are praying trhough and to -- obviously), then GOD will answer by giving the one praying what is best for them. It's not always what we ask for because we don't always ask for the right things or the best things. Paul reminds us in Romans chapter 8 that we don't always know how we ought to pray, so that God's Spirit interceeds for us in accordance with God's will. In other words, The Spirit knows the Mind and the heart of both God (1st Cor. 2) and the believer and then translates our prayers for us so that our real needs are met. When we ask for certain things and don't get those things, we should sit down and examine our motives (James 4:3). We also believe that unbelief or sin turns God's ears aways from our prayers -- See Isaiah 1:15, 59:2, 64:7; Micah 3:4; Zechariah 7:13... and many more places. Faith and repentance are necessary for answered prayer according to our belief. Fire Escape To ->Fire Escape From ->Head of Swings (#36) Sub ->Say what??? Date SU 06/21/89 04:53:03 PM Does that mean that my prayers asking for the right six numbers in Lotto America won't be answered tonight? Not even if I promise to donate big money to the Jimmy Swaggert "I Like to Watch 'em Strip" Foundation? Hmmmm, you're right, mayhaps I better rethink this situation. To ->Fire Escape From ->Schizo Chipmunk (#88) Sub ->YOU! Date ->06/25/89 04:48:27 PM I don't know you, but I'm offended already. Go evangelize somewhere else. -The Schizo Chipmunk To ->Schizo Chipmunk (#88) From ->SONGBIRD (#45) Sub ->Uh... Schizo... Date ->06/26/89 05:33:41 PM This IS the religious subbie. If SHE can't tell you what to believe that means that I can't either!!!! Really .. just take it off your scan. To ->All From ->Ratte (#109) Sub ->Belief Date ->07/03/89 10:59:18 AM It really amazes me that people like Fire escape pretend to know so much about God. Assuming there is a God, why on earth do you think that you could possibly know anything about it? You take your beliefs from a book that shows the earth to be about 6000 years old, something that modern science completely contradicts. Besides that, it is only a book of stories that were handed down from generation to generation and THEN finally written down in a langauage far different from english. Anyone who speaks a foreign language will tell you that translation involves a certain amount of interpretation... I can only assume that you havent read the original version, so how do you know that you are reading an accurate version? Think about this: God is perfect, right? So if this God is perfect, then God can never change... Change implies imperfection and denys the silly theories of infinity... But God HAD to undergo a state of change in order to create ANYTHING... I think the problem lies not in belief in God, but rather religion assuming that one thing is right, and another is wrong, and if you dont do what the religion tells you to do, then your'e going to be punished. How on earth can you possibly be so conceited as to claim knowledge of what the supreme being wants of you? You are only human, after all.... Old Paradox: If God can do anything, can he make a rock so big that he himself cant lift it? (its silly, but think about it). You cant possibly KNOW what youre talking about.... To ->Ratte (#109) From ->SONGBIRD (#45) Sub ->flawed logic Date ->07/03/89 04:03:28 PM IF God is perfect it does naturally follow that God can never change... As to Fire Escape, she feels she has an unimpeachable source. The Pagans, Druids, Athiests and other religious misfits (heavy irony or something here) enjoy her posts most when she recognizes that not EVERYONE agrees that her source is unimpeachable. But she is convinced and sometimes gets carried away. Then we all scream and holler like crazy. Apparently we all get something out of it. It's sort of a theological game of flashlight tag.... 'GOTCHA!' To ->All From ->SONGBIRD (#45) Sub ->GOOD HEAVENS! (ohhh. pun not intended) Date ->07/03/89 04:05:53 PM The first line of my message should have read 'it does NOT automatically follow that God never changes.' Sheeesh! (But then, what else would you expect from a Druid?) To ->Songbird... From ->Oliver Wendell Jones (#107) Sub ->Quote... Date SU 07/04/89 03:09:03 AM "Theological Flashlight Tag"... I *LIKE* that... I think when/if my board goes up, that'll be the name of the religion subbie... that's GOOD! To ->Songbird From ->Ratte (#109) Sub ->Flashlight Tag.... Date ->07/04/89 12:40:40 PM Hehe... Flashlight tag.... I like that. But I wasn't screaming and Hollering like crazy... I was just trying to get some philosophical input. I am interested in religion... I dont necessarily believe in what is preached, but I am VERY interested in its effect on the culture and social morality of mankind. I WAS NOT trying to provoke an argument, I can do that with any christian face to face any time I want (most are highly defensive and will go to blows over religious doctrine...). What I was hoping to do was inspire an intelligent argument. I don't want anyone to try to convert me (can't be done) to a holy life of religion, but that doesn't mean that I cant be interested in Religion on a purely philosophical level. At any rate, what I am hoping is that it will be too much work to scream "BLASPHEMER!" at me or give me some Fire and Brimstone speech over a bulletin board, and perhaps some ideas will (oof... line noise... sorry) appear. Why, for instance, does change not imply imperfection? Think about that..... How can you improve on perfection? Or do you feel that change is part of perfection? and WHY? Present something for me to ponder for a week or so, songbird, and I will take you out for coffee or beer or whatever you want.... But please EXPLAIN your theories of perfection, change and infinity.... To ->Ratte (#109) From ->The Silver Sword (#25) Sub ->good questions! Date ->07/04/89 04:18:46 PM But everything CAN change, but we cannot really re-define god, since he DOESn't change, supposedly, since he is already supposed to be perfect! I guess someone could interpret it like this: WE change, but god doesn't. When we change, god won't change his views about us, or get better, but he will have to look for different things, perhaps. As we change, so do things that have to be done~! We have solved many problems that those in ancient Babylonia had, and therefore God would have had to alter how he judges people and other things like that. He would be the same, but appear different from then, since we would look at him that way. Because if he was the exact same as he was 2000 years ago, then, most likely, we'd all be damned to the place that no one has proved existed that is given the name Hell... To ->Schizo Chipmunk (#88) From ->Dream Stalker (#86) Sub ->Re: YOU! Date ->07/04/89 09:15:28 PM Just because you don't agree witè someone's religous view that does not give you the right to tell them tï go somewere else..This board and this base was meant for everyone to sharå their views on. Fire Escape has the right to be here... To ->Most From ->Oliver Wendell Jones (#107) Sub ->Change and Perfection Date SU 07/05/89 02:22:32 AM Well, either the "God doesn't change" line is a lot of hooey, or else *I* for one don't wanna worship this dude... isn't he the one that demanded human sacrifice in the old testament? Same testament, he sent a horde of bears to kill some children making fun of one of his priests... and what about the Song of Soloman? Or the bit about Turning Lot's Wife into a pillar of salt for *looking back*?!? Or when he let Satan do all that nasty stuph to Job just to prove a point... or... shall I go on? Okay, I can accept God changing to better meet our and the universe's needs... but I can't accept a God that's still like that...