Name: Saxist #193 Date: 10:14 pm Mon May 01, 1989 Support is important because it is easy to make the bad old government look like it is prosecuting our good old marine buddy. That means that people will contribute money to the cause. Keep in mind that these are people who have been proven suckers...err...contributors in the past. Ollie is not the end, Ollie is the means to collect bucks. I seriously doubt that the man ever sees the cash tht is contributed. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 11:08 pm Mon May 01, 1989 What fundamentalist groups support Oliver North "vehemently"? I strongly support his right to a fair trial. It sounds like I might possibly be in a minority on that point. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 7:33 am Tue May 02, 1989 But usually Ironman, you must admit you support Ollie and his lying­ tell me??? Don't those lies fit rather ackwardly on top of that cross?????? Name: Stever #638 Date: 7:54 am Tue May 02, 1989 What Fundamentalist group supports Ollie? ALL OF THEM. Which Fundamentalist group does NOT support Ollie???????????????????? Name: Snappy #72 Date: 1:07 pm Tue May 02, 1989 The impotant thing to know is that no-one supports him who has any knowledge on the subject. The USMC doesn't even support him. Define Fundamntalism... I seriously doubt the American Socialist party supports North. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 7:31 pm Tue May 02, 1989 I asked first, I asked first, nyah nyah, nyah nyah, nyah nyah. I've NEVER supported his lying. I have admired the man's drive. Too bad that APPARENTLY it was misplaced. Anyone else aware of the fact that after TWO tours of duty in 'Nam, he was hospitalized for depression for a period ? Anyone else aware of the fact that CONGRESS THEMSELVES, while passing the Bolan (sp ?) Amendment to cut off aid to the Contras, then SECRETLY passed and appropriated military aid to the SAME CONTRAS ! So.....what is Oliver North guilty of ? Doing what Congress did ? Name: Bc #174 Date: 11:57 pm Tue May 02, 1989 Apparently? I base my opinion on his confessions at the trial: he fell back on the "I was ordered to do it", he admitted doing just about everything he was charged with except for appropriating funds for his own use...but he admits violating the law prohibiting military support of the contras, and many other charges. GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! Oh Ollie boy, the pipes are calling..... Name: The Greek #11 Date: 6:40 am Wed May 03, 1989 Depression? Ohhh, Ironman your breaking my heart- hey if your leader is to depressed then maybe he can have Falwell fix it right??? And then Jim Bakker, and then Jim Swaggert-- and before you know it he'll be the happiest Marine in the world. Name: Snappy #72 Date: 12:14 pm Wed May 03, 1989 At least congress.. Has it in their powers to do such things. The U.S. Constitution does not allow for Marine Lt. Cols. to carry on covert activity around the world. Name: Stever #638 Date: 1:07 pm Wed May 03, 1989 Careful Snappy.. Your using logic, Brainwashed religous zealots don't respond too well to such. Name: Tempest #335 Date: 4:10 pm Wed May 03, 1989 Where does the Constitution allow for covert governments within the government. I don't think that was a power of the Executive or Legislative branch. Gee, I think I'm using logic, too bad silly fundamentalist anti-everything zealot types don't respond very well to logic. BTW, who is a brainwashed religious zealot. Clarify your terminology instead of using rash generalizations and silly flim-flam. Tsk, tsk... Name: Thunder #313 Date: 12:13 am Thu May 04, 1989 Generalizations are necessary when you really have no leg to stand on. Thats the first sign of an idiot in an argument and I wouldn't waste my time discussing the time of day with them. I've been around long enough to know that folks will stand on their political beliefs til the cows come home regardless of facts. Lets take Jim Wright for instance. Here we have the Speaker of the House acused of selling endorsements into the congressional record for $45,000, but the silence from the left is deafening. I would think that simply to cover theoir tails they would at least be wise enough to throw in a shot at him now and then. Name: Bc #174 Date: 2:18 am Thu May 04, 1989 I AM A BRAINWASHED RELIGIOUS ZEALOT (Great title for a low-budget movie...) I'm a member of the disciples of slime: humanity can never attain its place in the universe until this planet is turned into a perfect sphere. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 12:03 pm Thu May 04, 1989 Oh, that's right, Stever: Congress, given the authority to make laws in this country, is also given the authority to break the laws it makes. But just them ! Nobody else ! Nosirreeeebob, anybody else tries it, why, we're taking our football and going home ! As to Jim Wright, yes, the silence is overwhelming. "Overwhelming" doesn't really describe it adequately . "Stupendous". No, that's still not it. "Promethean". Yes, that just about hits the spot, I think® Promethean. I guess Ted Kennedy is a little too busy , drying his suits out, to address the issue of the SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE right now. Name: Snappy #72 Date: 2:40 pm Thu May 04, 1989 Jim Wright.. It will soon be over. He will get a slap on the wrist at most. The person how sent all of this to the ethics commitee did it in retaliation to Wright. As far as Ted Kennedy. Chapaquidik (severe SP?) happened before you were ven born, and I am more than sure that you know nothing about it. It is over and done with and it should not be held against Ted Kennedy as his name has obviously since been cleared of all charges. Anyways, he is a Senator, and has nothing to do with the House of Representatives, except that he sits in their meeting room when the president give the State of the Union Adress. You never fail to amaze me of your lack of knowledge when it comes to government. Why are we talking about this on the religious Subbie anyway? Name: Saxist #193 Date: 8:07 pm Thu May 04, 1989 You've seen them on the ten o'clock news...you've read their tales in the Enquirer...you've heard their cries of anguish. Now, for the first time anywhere, meet them up close and personal in their first, full length musical movie: Brainwashed Religious Zealots from Hell... Starring Molly Ringwald as Jessica Hahn Danny Devito as Hugh Hefner Arnold Schwarzenegger as Ollie North Rosanne Barr as the United States Marine Corps and re-introducing Ronald Regan as the confused kooky-kind-of-a-guy who started it all. Directed by Cecil B. Demille. Music by Andrew Lloyd Weber. Produced by Madonna. Soundtrak available on Virgin records. Opening Today at a selected theatre near you. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 2:21 am Fri May 05, 1989 Thanks for the compliment.. Snappy, but unfortunately I was old enough at that time to remember good ol' Teddy " Look out for that....... " Kennedy. And how the Kennedy family GAVE Mary Jo Kopechne's mother and father a $100,000 house to, uh, ......hmmmmm. Gee, why DID they give her mother and father a house ? ( $100,000 in those days, by the way , was B I G bucks for a house ) And why is the grand jury inquest report SEALED ? And why......well¬ Nevermind. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 7:13 am Fri May 05, 1989 Why bring up ancient history here. Besides Ironman- two wroongs do not equal a pardon the pun Wright-- hhe he ha ha - you wre burned dude... Anyway this whooole tit for tat thing is too much. The religous Zealots tried to dig Ollie out and they failed. Now they have to turn to the world and explain frooom a religous perspective why they backed a crook. Hows about it Ironman- we have been waiting for your answer here for quite some time. Whats wrong- has Satan taken over your soul? Unless you can come up with an answer you have pretty much been proven what I have purported the whole time-- Satan rules... Name: Snappy #72 Date: 12:05 pm Fri May 05, 1989 You were old enough to remember Teddy Kennedy's mishap? If you are that old, how come you act as if you are 11? Name: The Doc #164 Date: 1:52 pm Fri May 05, 1989 Before I go on, I want to say that I was raised a Catholic and have studied the Bible. I have also studied other philosophies. God was created by man; man was not created by God. If there is no god, then there is no satan. We control our own lives; there is no all-encompassing power. The bible is like a book of stories or mythology. Name: Doc #391 Date: 2:33 pm Fri May 05, 1989 I mean the Doc. If you were raised a Catholic how can you believe in such a theory. Don't you have even a ounce of God-fearfullness in you? I too am a Catholic, even though I hate church I go. God will understand me, at least I make the effort and sacrfice one hour on Sunday when he knows I'd rather be somewhere else. Name: Lisa #361 Date: 4:21 pm Fri May 05, 1989 God again? Trying to argue logically about god to a person who is afraid of the truth. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip you know. Name: Snappy #72 Date: 8:08 pm Fri May 05, 1989 God didn't put anyone on this earth to sacrafice. Worship god by doing things for yourself and others. Do things that you like to do. God is everywhere, he is not limited to Churches. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 11:33 pm Fri May 05, 1989 Greek I think you had a question in your post for me, but darn if I can dig it out. Snappy, I post like I'm 11 because I'm trying to set a standard for you guys, and I want to make it a reachable goal . Name: Russell Harris #175 Date: 1:03 pm Sat May 06, 1989 Good Post Ironman!!!! If you are interested in a "insiders' point of view on the Iran-Contra trick bag read the book I just finiished called "SPEAKING OUT" by Larry Speakes... ex-mouth piece for our last stealth president... Very interesting reading if you can get past of the self back slapping that Speakes does... He is a good writter though® A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. another excellent book by an incredible human being who also happens to believe God whose name is Stephen W. Hawking. This man's description of the "BIG BANG" theory absolutely fab!