Name: Snappy #72 Date: 2:49 pm Fri Apr 21, 1989 NOT THE BIBLE DEBATE AGAIN!! No we are not talking about the Bible again. This action always spurs people quoting quote after quote in the thing. If i wanted to read the Bible, I would look in the Bible. I do not wish to see it it posted with andom definitions all over again. Snappy-- Stopping this before it starts Name: Stever #638 Date: 3:56 pm Fri Apr 21, 1989 Yeah Snappy.. The only Bible I would be interested in is the TingFish Bible. Pray tell, it explains the last temptation of Christ. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 10:39 pm Fri Apr 21, 1989 Well this is true.. but some people have to be proogramed by their religous zealots they can't help it if they are brainwashed. Name: Mildate #336 Date: 11:25 pm Fri Apr 21, 1989 Don't try it Bleep.. Don't try to make me come out the loser Bleep or you will pay! I admit that I am not a religous freak but by the same token I AM God fearing. If YOU do not believe in the existance of God then that is your fault not MINE. However, as a Christian I take on the responsibility of trying to make people believe in God. There is of course no solid proof for the existance of God, but one MUST believe. What is life worth living for if there is no one to help you. God is there for everyone. Through prayer towards God, it not only provides peace and salvation but also calms all inner-turmoil. It leads one to discover his own self. At first I admit I may have not acted my age by posting the dictionary quotes, but now I honestly am trying to HELP YOU! There is only so much one can do, and if God saw me now, I'm sure he would be proud of me. If this helped you to believe though, I am sure he would be even more proud of YOU! Name: Ironman #566 Date: 1:21 am Sat Apr 22, 1989 Bleep what might your definition of "religious bigotry" be ? Name: Bob #485 Date: 5:45 am Sat Apr 22, 1989 Trying to discuss the existence of God on a BBS is a rather silly endeavor. Complete your reading with Sartre and Hawking. You will find the utter desolation of a universe with no Planner in Sartre. You will find the grandeur of a universe that cannot have been random in Hawking. You then have a bare minimum of ideas with which to form your own conclusion. As to convincing others? Not likely in 20 sentences... Name: Bleep #250 Date: 10:41 am Sat Apr 22, 1989 Now..we are on the right track. I am not stating that I do or do not believe in god. I am just asking for intelligent, meaningful, arguments for the existence of a god. I am not competing with anyone here. Entertainment would be a more appropriate word. As to you Bob, if events are not random, then they must be planned. So everything that happens must be predestined according to your claim. And if so, we are all just parts of a huge mechanical toy called the universe. Why bother with religion or anything else if your ultimate destiny has been pro-ordained by your god. Doesn't make sense to me. Why don't you try to explain? Name: Lichen #274 Date: 9:58 pm Sat Apr 22, 1989 There are some interesting threads here. We have the existence of god considered, along with references to world-class intellects who have dealt with the issue. Simultaneously, we have the theme of the 'book' as given, translated, and interpreted in this particular culture, as a definitive item. We have the precept that this one particular religion that is completely foreign and not well-accepted to 2/3 of the world, is the Only religion. Like god would do that, maybe as a prank or something. Name: John Vogel #163 Date: 3:26 am Sun Apr 23, 1989 Bob.. Who is Hawking? Name: Bob #485 Date: 12:06 pm Sun Apr 23, 1989 A Brief History of Time - Hawking, a brilliant paralyzed physicist. Predestined has nothing to do with random, Bleep. There are laws which govern the motions/actions of the universe. Pool balls which collide do not bounce off in random directions, they follow well-defined paths, if you understand the underlying laws, which we don't, yet (some would say we can never understand the lowest level of "plan"). Whence cometh these laws, the rhetoric of the universe? If you belive they have been here always and forever, that leads to the desolation which Sartre struggled with. If you believe they were formulated, you are forced to conclude a God. That's the best I can do in a couple of sentences. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 11:31 pm Sun Apr 23, 1989 Well it sound like we have a philosophy of science question here. Or should I say what is the epistemology of yoour proof for a God- please don't give us the same old tired worn out Bible story- ghheeeez the plt is bad, the dialect has no syntax , and we all know how it ends. Name: Bob #485 Date: 7:55 am Mon Apr 24, 1989 There was a question directed to me in that post, Greek? If so, I missed it... Name: The Greek #11 Date: 4:08 pm Mon Apr 24, 1989 Noo Bob, just an open forum,for anyone. Even the zealots however, no peeking in the Bible. Just a simple question. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 4:51 pm Mon Apr 24, 1989 Uh, Greek, I'm having a little trouble following the questions. And I peeked in the Bible, too, so that's not the problem.... Name: Doc #391 Date: 12:32 am Tue Apr 25, 1989 Bleep.. Just for your information, I happen to be an Indian that IS a Christian. A Catholic to be precise and I can tell you that I'm damn proud of being a Catholic. I'm not really Indian but am of Indian origin so to speak. My parents were brought up in India while I've been brought up in the best country in the world. OUR U.S.A, not the Communists U.S.A Name: Jen #113 Date: 1:15 am Tue Apr 25, 1989 Religions.. Thats great that people like thoså from india are christians.... It seems people are heading towarä getting very angry about this area. Why not got to a differnt topiã. Name: Stever #638 Date: 3:04 am Tue Apr 25, 1989 Yea Religions seem to polarize people away from each other- which is exactly the opposite of what they are supposed to do. I want too know is Mildate a true Frenchy, or is he a Frenchy who has lost his way? Je ne ce pas???? Name: The Greek #11 Date: 12:52 pm Tue Apr 25, 1989 The problem with most religous zealots is that they have a certain know it all attitude- but when you question them about things they really can't give an answer based on reason- or to put it frankly their teleology is circular. Fooor example: Life begins at conception, this is this way because the Bible says so. The Bible is always correct, why? Because it says soo. Where does it say so? Well ooof course, in the Bible. This type of circular reasoning is merely self-fullfilling prophesy. The way I loook at it life is a continuum. there is no exact starting point. Fooor without either the egg or the sperm- you can noot have a human being as we know it. Therefore by logic of physical science I propose that life is a continuum, this does not mean you have to agree, feel free to coomment. Thank you. Name: Jen #113 Date: 1:55 am Wed Apr 26, 1989 Mildate. This is getting tiring to hear abouô you wanting to know if he is really french or what. Just stop please, É for one am tired of it....you have made your point so leave it be.® what about the rest of you people? Do you want him to stop botherinç the guy? Its you who better get if thougè your head...I for one will stand for your inmacure additude in thå bases...and name calling is childish from my point of view.... Name: Mildate #336 Date: 8:16 am Wed Apr 26, 1989 I said.. i was sorry especially for my post in Sqid Corner. Name: Zorkoff #249 Date: 10:14 am Wed Apr 26, 1989 Religion doesn't bring people together. It draws distinct lines of conflict. It helps and comforts those within its boundaries. Outsiders are welcomed in with open arms, but those who will not believes as the group are treated like intruders. As long as religions have existed, religious rivalry has existed. Religion has entered into every stitch of the fabric of this society (at least it seems that way, sometimes.) "In God We Trust." "...one nation, under God." You can't even join the Boy Scouts without first attesting to religious beliefs. Why must religions force themselves on others? (And please don't tell me it's because the Bible tells you to spread the word.) Name: Slitter #198 Date: 10:47 pm Wed Apr 26, 1989 It's just a part of "Western Civilization"'s culture -- Just like Rock and Roll and blue jeans. Even if rock went completely out of style, there would be those who would continue to like it. Many would teach their children to like it (probably because the kids would grow up hearing it). The real difference is that religion has been a part of our culture for - well, a REAL long time. It certainly won't go away in a day or even a decade.....And as long as people see is as a valuable and worthwhile thing, it won't go away at all. Name: Jen #113 Date: 3:56 am Thu Apr 27, 1989 Opps. Mildate, I seem to have covereä the bases when you tried what you did yesterday....dont bother abouô the rest.... Name: Fire Escape #62 Date: 3:49 pm Thu Apr 27, 1989 Religion is designed that way since Satan is the creator of "religion" (Religion again defined as MAN'S ATTEMPT to Reach God on HIS OWN POWER, Man's RITUALS, Man's TEACHINGS, Man's TRADITIONS, Man's RULES) he designed it to alienate people from God and to cause strife amongst themselves. That is why God's reaching down to unite all people in Jesus is the very ANTI-THESIS of "Religion". God is not interested in "Religion", He's interested in a RELATIONSHIP. It's not be "religious effort" that you find God, that will only alienate you from Him, just like Satan desires. Forsake your efforts and religious traditions and seek God with your heart. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 4:51 pm Thu Apr 27, 1989 I actually agree withone point in FE's post. Satan is ruler of all religioon here on earth. Or as I have said befooore Satan Rules.. Oone questioon foor yooou religous zealots- your always defending certain people- how come according to you Fundamentalists, Its ok for Ollie to lie, steal, thieve, embbezle, etc etc. Does the Bible agree with Ollies actions, or is it just the brainwashed proogrammed interpretation of them. Whats the answer is is ok tooo lie and steal accoording to the Bible????? Awaiting your quotation. Name: Snappy #72 Date: 12:07 pm Fri Apr 28, 1989 It must be, while it says you shouldn't, it also has stories of God telling the Jews to steal land from and riches etc. from others. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 5:29 pm Fri Apr 28, 1989 I was going to use logic, Greek, but you wanted a quotation, so I guess I'll have to answer your question some other time. ( hmmmm........I thought everyone got mad and pissed off when us thumpers quoted from the Bible.......guess they're changing.....) Name: Jen #113 Date: 3:03 am Sat Apr 29, 1989 Thumper.. Possibly, anything is possibly yoõ know....people have been know to change when they have found ouô that they are really wrong whom ever they are.... Name: Bc #174 Date: 12:31 am Mon May 01, 1989 I don't have any problem with God reaching out to me with his love through Jesus...I have a problem with people reaching into my wallet in Jesus' name. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 6:19 am Mon May 01, 1989 Well we are waiting..Well we are waiting..How do the Un-Funde Mentalists justify North"s lying, and why do they support such so vehemently????