Name: The Greek #11 Date: 8:00 am Tue Mar 21, 1989 But your were upset.. which is the best proof oof evil over good. True Satan rules here, this does not mean you or I or anyone else is always 100% evil; however what it does mean is that abortions are legal and 4000 abortions are performed daily to pay tribute to Satans glory-- and ironman you can't deny that. Also according to the bible you can't be good AND evil- only good or evil- thus so is the earth according to the Bible good or evil. If the earth were essentially good then 4000 abortions per dy could not take place here- thus the earth is evil. This is the plane where Satan exhibits most of his power, and true he allows some good acts here, but usually they are done for gred or ego so itt al goes back too the same thing- selfishness. However, this does not mena we are doomed. One can worship on other planes the spiritual for example: the intellectual or any of the concept planes. You have a free will you must decide however for soome of us Satan has already decided- he rules here. Name: Fire Escape #62 Date: 8:53 pm Tue Mar 21, 1989 Satan and dominion: "NOW is the time for Judgement on this world; NOW the 'prince of this world' (satan) will be driven out." - John 12:31 "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. No one who is born of God will continue to pursue sin because God's word remains in him." - 1st John 3:8-9 "The good news is veiled to those who are perishing, the 'god' of this age (satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not trust in Christ, so that they can not see the light of the good news of the glory of Christ, who is the very image and person of God." - 2nd Corinthians 4:3-4 "Our struggle is not against people of flesh and blood, but against the rulers. against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spritual forces of evil in the spiritual realms." - Ephesians 6:12 Š "If you (speaking to believers) belonged to 'the world' it would love you as it's own,as it is though, you do not belong to it, but I (Jesus) have chosen you out of it.." -John 15:19 "..He (an angel) seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended..When they were over, Satan will be released from his prison..to gather the people for battle...The devil who decieved them was thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown, they will all be tormented day and night for ever and ever" - Revelation 20:2-3,7,8,10. Yeah, I hope Satan enjoys ruling Hell. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 8:10 am Wed Mar 22, 1989 Thankyou Fire Escape.. Thanks. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 1:00 am Thu Mar 23, 1989 Thanks FE, but if you read through your post you'll see exactly what I mean. The reference to flesh and blood is exactly what is meant by the physical plane. This is where Satan rules. And it is Satan who is the person your battle is with, not the pawns of evil those who havve oor posess the flesh and blood. This is where Satan rules. Name: Stever #638 Date: 1:16 pm Thu Mar 23, 1989 Geesh all these preachers and not enough lambs. I thought the days of false prophets wasn't until around the year 2010.. Name: Fire Escape #62 Date: 5:03 pm Thu Mar 23, 1989 GOD RULES!! Satan's a goon. "Last time water, this time fire. The "day" is getting down to the "wire". I've heard Jesus mocked and now I'M TIRED! God is TRUE and men are liars! GOD RULESˇ Jesus helps me day and night, took my sins and flushed them right outa here. The Devil lost the fight (already man), Jesus won with power and might! GOD RULES! There's more to life than gettin' stoned and sittin' in the twilight zone He is coming to take us home, Don't be left here all alone! GOD RULES!" - Joe Taylor and Undercover (God Rules Album) It had to be said. Satan may be "free" at the moment but he already sentenced and you can join him in Hell if you want to, that's your choice, As for me, I'll take Jesus I think, I stick with WINNERS!ˇ ­ Fire Escape Name: Walt #431 Date: 12:29 am Fri Mar 24, 1989 Greek: If you think that you can't be both good and evil, you have been going through life with your eyes closed. For better or for worse, humans have this unfathomable free will that allows them to be absolutely selfless one minute and self absorbed the next. Wake up. Name: Legacy #500 Date: 3:18 pm Fri Mar 24, 1989 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All AUTHORITY in heaven and ON EARTH has been given to me." Matthew 28:18, better go check it out Greek you are standing? on shakey ground! Name: Legacy #500 Date: 3:21 pm Fri Mar 24, 1989 I don't believe.. That you made me dust off my seldom used Bible for that Greek, SORRY. That's Greek. Get your #### together! Name: Snappy #72 Date: 5:25 pm Fri Mar 24, 1989 If Satan rules the earth... How come the Good Guys win in the end? Name: Bob #485 Date: 1:45 pm Sat Mar 25, 1989 Ummmmm, I think Greek may begetting misread, to some extent. He is saying that Satan rules the physical plane, equated with earth, which is not too far from what the thumpers say. Get in touch with the spiritual, where God rules. If you revel in the earthly pleasures, you are playing with Satan. That is what Greek has said inumerable times, and I'm sure I've heard a number of Christian ministers say the same thing. So why the obsession with putting Greek down? Why not read his messages first? Name: Snappy #72 Date: 4:59 pm Sat Mar 25, 1989 Earthly pleasures: So you are saying that God doesn't want us to live happy lives? Name: Walt #431 Date: 11:33 pm Sat Mar 25, 1989 I don't know why others do it, but I reply to Greek's posts because he repeats the same thing over and over and over ad nauseum. I also think that his reasoning is fallacious. That's just me though. Name: Fire Escape #62 Date: 12:01 am Sun Mar 26, 1989 But the PHYSICAL is not EVIL! God Created us as PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL beings. Not all one or the other. It is not the nature of being PHYSICAL that makes ANYTHING evil, but it is the attitude of the heart. Evil begins in the spiritual and extends into thus affects the physical world. That doesn't make everything physical evil. God came to redeem the world, both people and the system. In the end God will destroy all evil (in both spiritual and physical existences) and will REMAKE the world (the physical honest to God world) in a NEW WAY. Why would God remake the PHYSICAL world if everything physical is evil? That's idiodic to the max. Nothing is evil if it is submitted to the will of Jesus, that includes people and things (both physical and spiritual). In Christ ALL things, Spiritual and Physical are made NEW, the OLD has passed away and the New is come. Fire Escape Satan is an insane malevolent entity that is vainly fighting a battle he has ALREADY LOST!! Get a clue. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 12:29 am Sun Mar 26, 1989 I just wanted you to know that we should beware of all the false prophets- and that on this Easter Day there were probably a few thousand abortions performed-- why? Because Good willed it, and because he knoows he has noo power here. Glory be to that which is- and that which cannot be changed for all of eternity. Gloory to FETUS worship. egg worship and even sperm worship- lets take it all the way back. It all goes back to adam and eve ya know. Name: The Professor #235 Date: 8:15 am Sun Mar 26, 1989 Easter: Which Christain day of celebration is of Most importance? 1) Christmas 2) Easter 3) and why? Name: Walt #431 Date: 11:23 pm Sun Mar 26, 1989 Matthew: One problem with your version of what is and what will be; "eternally condemned to hell until judgement day". It doesn't make sense, you're either eternally condemned or not, but eternity can't stop on judgement day. So which is it? Are they condemned for eternity, or do they get their rest after judgement day? I'm interested to see which it is. Name: Walt #431 Date: 11:28 pm Sun Mar 26, 1989 Greek: Just wanted to point out another in the long series of contradictions and rational potholes in your posts-You say that the abortions happened because God willed them, and then you say that God has no power here. Which is it? If God willed them, then they happened because of God's will, therefore God has power here. I think the whole idea is ridiculous, but I just wanted to let you know that you weren't making any sense. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 7:13 am Mon Mar 27, 1989 God willed Satan to rulethe physical plane, which is where all abortins take place. His power is limited by Satan- and he is noot as powerful as Satan here. If Goood did nooto will them, then why did they take place? Because Satan willed them. Thus Satan rules-- there are no contradictions. Name: Matthew Morgan #56 Date: 3:40 pm Mon Mar 27, 1989 Fallacy #2: God sent his son to die on the cross to take on the sins and evil of the world. If he wouldn't have taken all of the sin on himself then he wouldn't have had to die. Likewise, if you have never committed a sin then you would not die (which is humanly impossible). God originally created man to be immortal, but lucifer was God's sworn enememy and tempted Eve to eat from the tree of wisdom which was a sin against God and therefore the wages of sin is death. This sin has been passed down fromom generation to generation and that is why man is not immortal. God rules all visible and invisible.Therefore he can do anything he wants with the phisical world or heavenly world. The devil was originally a beauautiful angel named lucifer, but pride and want to be better than God forcrced God to conndemm him to eternal punishment. Name: Ironman #566 Date: 8:45 pm Mon Mar 27, 1989 Well Greek, you know very well that God did not will Satan to rule the physical plane. How about a new topic ? Name: Saxist #193 Date: 9:22 pm Mon Mar 27, 1989 Actually, the most important of Christian holidays should be Maundy Thursday, the day christ was crucified. The birth of christ, as well as his resurrection are celebrations of victory, but it is the crucifiction which has done the work. Actually, there are more spiritual enemies than satan. Satan has been allowed a certain amount of rope for now, but another of man's enemies is the flesh, which is with us with a much more insistent presence. Name: Walt #431 Date: 10:51 pm Mon Mar 27, 1989 Greek: Hi again. Here's a question for you. If God willed Satan to rule the "physical plane", then Satan would be an agent of God. He would be operating under the permission of God, right? In that case, who has the power, the one who is being allowed to exist, or the one who makes the decisions? The whole problem I find with your "ideas" is that you separate "physical" and "spiritual", when in actuality, you'll find that they are integrated. We are both, and both are equally as important. To elevate one above the other is to insult our design. Eagerly awaiting a response. Name: The Greek #11 Date: 11:16 pm Mon Mar 27, 1989 They are both together but they are also separate- upon death. I don't know much about the rules of agency but I do know this, goood cannot be evil and evil cannot be good. When people say "Oh Greek you know Satan dooes not rule the Earth", I say "Bull". Satan takes what he wants and leaves the rest to chance. He murders 4,000 innocent souls a day, 4000 souls that god is helpless to do anything about. These souls are wasted and good doesn't doo a thing about it. Soo hows about it Ironman, where is your god? Is it that he doesn't care, or does satan rule like I've been tryin too tell ya all along-- whats the deal?? Whoooo yoou kiddin anyway, he rules and you know it.