Name: Fire Escape #65
Date: Fri Mar 10 13:14:55 1989

Crystal Warrior:  You say that you follow the path of "God" because it "suits
you"? What God are you suppose to be following.  If it's the God of the
Christian Faith then you are offending Him big time by messing with other
spirits.  Don't you know that God said that consulting spirits is an
abomination to him?  If you have ever read the Bible I'm sure you know that. 
So why do you do it?  I think you follow the path of God WHERE IT SUITS you,
and trample on it whenever and wherever it interferes with your fun, That
sounds more accurate to me.  Perhaps you can clarify this for us.  Don't talk
the talk when you aren't 100% walking the walk, it insults God.
 
                                         Fire Escape


Name: Parlous #82      
Date: Sun Mar 12 12:04:01 1989

Afterlife:  there is'nt one.... born (like a flower), live (like the water),
die (like a leaf), rot (like old sox in a fridgerator)..   that's my theory


Name: One Tin Soldier #88      
Date: Mon Mar 13 22:33:05 1989

Parlous, do you mind if I ask you just exactly WHAT you base this theory on? 
Science?  Then what do you say about these people who have died
(scientifically proven that they were indeed DEAD) and have "come back" with
stories about their existence on 'the other side'?
 
Or maybe you base this theory on philosophy, in which case I have to ask you, 
if there is no afterlife, then whats the use of living?

Or maybe you base this theory on religion.  Which one?  I've never heard of a 
religion that claims there is no afterlife.  If there is one, please educate 
me.  (By the way, I hate religions- ALL of them.)
 
Sorry, I just can't buy this theory of yours.  Theres just nothing to base it 
on.  I prefer Jesus, as he is much more well-founded in the Bible, which I 
trust much more than the ramblings of an unguided bbs user.


Name: Gryphon #21      
Date: Tue Mar 14 14:58:28 1989

Depends. Certain religions don't have a specific afterlife, rather it IS the 
afterlife all the time...they are atoning for sins in previous lives, thus 
afterlife IS life...but thinking, seems true...no relgion says "Well, you're 
dead." Sorta makes you wonder if religion is inspired by man's own fear of 
mortality.


Name: Doomer #20      
Date: Tue Mar 14 19:35:14 1989

Parlous: See? I told you you were an uneducated nerd.  'Fridgerator'?!?!!

Gryph: No, I don't know any religions like THAT, most believe that they are 
atoning for sins or trying to become perfect here in order to achieve the 
afterlife...You are >Gasp< wrong, metthinx.


Name: Gryphon #21      
Date: Wed Mar 15 06:32:24 1989

Doom: Like what? 

You lost me....I agreed with what you said...hmm.


Name: Headless Chicken #6      
Date: Sun Mar 19 23:55:49 1989

Hey now guys, maybe he likes being in a fridgerator. I mean there is such a 
thing as a personal religion.  For all you know, he may be right.

Personnally, I'll deal with it when I'm dead.


Name: Doomer #20      
Date: Mon Mar 20 01:00:07 1989

Try Hinduism.  They believe that they're here till they're perfect.  (They're 
going to be here an AWFULLY long time) Its either till they're perfect or 
they're good outweighs they're evil or that they've made up for all they're 
evil...something along those lines.  Anyway, once they've attained that TTHEN 
they get to go to the afterlife...


Name: Ironman #120      
Date: Mon Mar 20 08:16:36 1989

Which , if I'm not mistaken means complete obliteration.

   Not sure about that, so.....someone volunteer to check it out.


Name: Utwo #109      
Date: Mon Mar 20 15:32:35 1989

One Tin Soldier:  You refered to those people who die and come back.
Well they could have dreamed all the stuff they saw and just because there
technically dead doesn't mean there "dead".  
 
And one thought I have from my biology teacher:  Science definition of a 
miracle is anything which cannot be explained with science at the time. 
Just a thought and don't get all flustered up about this.
 

Name: Jk #18      
Date: Mon Mar 20 18:44:19 1989

For clarification, or at least what I think is clarification...

If I'm not mistaken, Hinduism teaches that you live in order to become 
perfect: to achieve Nirvanna.  According to them, we are all pieces of God, 
thrown down to earth.  Thus, we go through numerous reincarnations until we 
have cleansed ourselves and are worthy of reuiniting with God.  In the 
reuniting, you become one with the God, but also lose your separate identity; 
thus, not "oblivion"...more like a Lego, I suppose...


Name: Warrior Of The Son #116      
Date: Mon Mar 20 22:09:30 1989

Then how come many had the same vision?  You say that maybe they weren't
really dead or they were just dreaming. Then you tell me how many many people
have claimed to see the same thing.  We are not talking about 1 guy we are
talking about many people.  Think about it.


Name: Warrior Of The Son #116      
Date: Mon Mar 20 22:24:02 1989

      People are trying to say that rituals are a main part in Christianity 
and that Christians have all these rules and regulations to get to heaven.  
Look its if you know God if you have a true relationship with God if you will 
go to heaven.  Its not how many rituals you did or didn't go through.  Thats 
not what matters.  God didn't create all the religions he didn't create all 
the rules and regulations I feel all you have to do is know God and accept him 
and stand up for him to get to heaven.  And it never says in the Bible that 
you have to go through such and such ritual to go to heaven.  God didn't make 
those rituals people did.


Name: Doomer #20      
Date: Tue Mar 21 11:24:07 1989

Warrior: Yes, but you see Christianity DOES require those things! YOU may not 
believe in all that, but (At least the Catholic faith) REQUIRES that you be 
baptised.  Also, lots of people have claimed to have been abducted by aliens 
and given similar descriptions of THAT (Heh, saw it on one o' those Time/life 
commercials...heheh) so does that mean that aliens exist without a doubt?


Name: Warrior Of The Son #116      
Date: Tue Mar 21 15:40:29 1989

     Look pal.  I'm Catholic and like I said before the Catholic Church made 
those rituals a must not God.  Just because the Catholic CHurch hsays you must 
be baptized doesn't mean God says it.  
     C'mon and all those people were dead no heartbeat no pulse they were 
dead.  And they all saw it.  Those people who claimed to go in alien ship 
never were dead those people said that happened to them.  Its a big difference 
when someone is dead noyone can deny that they were so if your dead your brain 
isn't working how would they think to make that up.  Or do you think they just 
woke up and claimed they saw that for the money I guess that was all their big 
scheme(give me a break)!!!  Deny now but someday oyou will  have wished you 
didn't.


Name: Jk #18      
Date: Tue Mar 21 17:21:39 1989

And God wasn't laying down ANY rules when he slapped down the Ten 
Commandments?  Think about that...Commandments.  Let' find the root word, eh?  
My, it seems to be...COMMAND!  

Organized religion is a business before it's anything else, and this Christian 
God lays down more rules than I care to count.


Name: Headless Chicken #6      
Date: Tue Mar 21 17:58:30 1989

Personnaly I question all such "Died-and-Came-Back" accounts of an afterlife.  
I don't think that all of these people are lying, because I am sure that most 
of them are convinced that they acctually DID see/feel/taste/touch the 
afterlife.  I question whether their experience was any more than a 
psycological phenomina.  I only know one person who was clinically dead and 
came back to life, but he saw no "Heaven" or anything like that.  As I have 
said before, if you do something strange to your body, there is a good chance 
that you will experience something strange.


Name: Doomer #20      
Date: Tue Mar 21 19:22:19 1989

Warrior: THAT is what I'm saying.YOU may not require them and GOD may not 
require all that ritual BS but the Catholic Church DOES.  Try reading what I 
say...


Name: Gryphon #21      
Date: Tue Mar 21 22:15:32 1989

Warrior: I restate Jk's point. What does COMMANDment say to you? Trying to 
dictate our lives, obviously...

It's amazing that you can claim that these "life from death" people are 
credible, considering the only thing any of them saw was "A bright light". 
Gee, that's really neat...plus, if I was near death and came back, I'd have a 
nice story too...it's great for publicity. But....milions of people each year 
say they see flying saucers land in their neighborhood. Does this mean that 
that is true?


Name: Headless Chicken #6      
Date: Wed Mar 22 10:46:38 1989

Bright Lights = God?  If a bright light is the only criteria for being God,
the power co. sure has a monopoly on Gods.


Name: Doomer #20      
Date: Wed Mar 22 14:55:01 1989

George Bush has seen about 1000 gods, methinx...

Gryph: Yeah, but the commandments aren't really 'rituals' or anything like 
that.  Hell, you can even NOT do 'em now and then and you don't get 'kicked 
out'...oops, forgot Mr. Warrior has this 'You got YOUR chance' theory, so 
forget what I just said. :|


Name: Utwo #109      
Date: Fri Mar 24 11:25:39 1989

I think doesn't care how you practice your faith as long as you practice it to 
the best you can.  And as long as you not just taking the easy way out.  
As for commandments you can't deny most of them if not all of them are good 
morals to follow.
 

Name: Gryphon #21      
Date: Fri Mar 24 13:15:27 1989

Yes, except "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife's ass.." 
(I like that book..that's another kwote from God" The Ultimate 
Autobiography..)


Name: Warrior Of The Son #116      
Date: Fri Mar 24 18:31:53 1989

     Look the Ten Commandmants are just 10 rules God made for us.  Whats wrong 
with them what are you for Killing People.  C'mon dude whats wrong with any of 
theose Commandments Nothing.  Just because God made the 10 Commandments 
doesn't mean God is making all these rules to go to Heaven they are only 10 
basic rules to make life better for us and for OUR safety!!!  Wake up Dude!!!


Name: Gryphon #21      
Date: Fri Mar 24 19:21:35 1989

Wake up yourself. What you just said is that if I ignore every one of the 
Commandments I'll still get into Heaven just fine?


Name: Doomer #20      
Date: Sat Mar 25 01:37:17 1989

Warior: That is EXACTLY what you just said, dude.  The only reason God made 
the commandments is to make our life better down here? Oh PLEASE! So what 
you're saying is that the 10 Commandments deter crime better than Capital 
Punishment? Guido was going to 'off' the dude but then said, "Hey, I think 
I'll make life better for everyone else and not kill this guy!" So we can fry 
some killer so that he can go see God sooner? Hell, lets fry the shoplifters 
too, 'cause God sure as Hell isn't gonna do anything to them, because that 
'Thou shalt not steal' bit was only there so that a shop keeper doesn't get 
depressed.  Wake up, dude.  You're fighting a losing battle when you decide to 
change the bible to suit your arguments!


Name: Fire Escape #65      
Date: Sat Mar 25 19:31:48 1989

The Purpose of the 10 Commandments:  Paul (inspired by the Spirit of God)
explained pretty good WHY God gave us the 10 commandments, so lets look at his
explaination, ya know, The Bible is a good place to look for answers to
questions about why the Bible says something, imagine that!?!
 
   "What then is the PURPOSE OF THE LAW? It (refering to the Law - the 10 
commandments - Mosaic Law) was given because of the imperfections 
(transgressions) of mankind UNTIL the "Seed" to whom the Promise (referring to 
Jesus) referred to had come...Is the "law" therefore opposed to the promises 
of God? Absolutely not! FOR if ANY LAW had been given that could lead us to 
eternal life or perfection, then it certainly would have come to us already by 
that law....The LAW was put in effect to lead us to Jesus Christ that we may 
be justified by faith in HIM, not in obediance to the law." - See Galatians 
3:19,21,24

  An easier way to consider it then is that the Law (the 10 commandments) are 
a Ruler (to guide us in pleasing God and having good lives), a Mirror (to show 
us where we fall short of the perfection of God) and a Door (to lead us to 
true repentance). Rightness with God can never come through good deeds because 
we can't be good enough, the purpose of the Law is to lead us to a Savior, 
Jesus Christ.
                   Fire Escape