Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Mon Aug 28 07:21:18 1989 You give yourself the right to do something with your life or become trash...there's no deity involved. Other than me, of course. :) Name: Birdman #223 Date: Mon Aug 28 09:46:11 1989 Garbage? Sounds like judgement-passing to me (isn't it funny how people who "live by the bible") are always the first ones to cast stones and pass judgement on what they consider garbage? Funny...didn't the bible say something about "he who is without sin may cast the first stone..."? Name: Snappy #98 Date: Mon Aug 28 19:09:35 1989 The Bible also says, and I quote.. "...There is no God." Name: Stex #22 Date: Tue Aug 29 13:38:26 1989 Where? I wanna personally look up that quote! Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Tue Aug 29 19:15:20 1989 Snappy you better think about what you just said was IN the Bible. Nikademus............how am I suppose to know how the world was created in 7 days? Only God knows that.....gee.....talkin about gettin real people... ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Tue Aug 29 20:13:41 1989 I'll defend Heavnsent on that for one reason: If there was a god guy, his seven days might not be our seven days, thus Heavnsent has no way to defend that statement... (I keep typing Heavn instead of Heaven...you gotta get your handle fixed..heh.) Name: Headless Chicken #6 Date: Tue Aug 29 23:50:51 1989 Time and It's Relevance to "The Seven Days": What I would like to know is how these days were timed. Before God stepped into things, according to the Bible, there was Void. Time cannot be measured in a void. Therefore time did not exist until God placed something into that void. When God created the Earth, He created a system of periodical motion against which all other motion could be measured, i.e. the Sun going around the Earth. (You have to get the right perspective on these things.) Now I can't recall exactly how long it took God to get to this stage, but I think it must have been a few days, one at least. Question: when did they day before the Earth and Sun came into existance start? So, for all we know, God could have taken His own sweet time, or it could have been instantaneous. The point is: There is no difference. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Wed Aug 30 13:23:45 1989 "There is no God" *IS* in the bible... It's a very rough paraphrase but you could get that out of the "There is no God but...blah blah blah". Heheh... Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Wed Aug 30 14:00:06 1989 Gryphon I've been meaning to change my name for a long time! Guess I'll go write email to ye ol' sysop now! Tank you for reminding me!! ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Krazy Kitty #226 Date: Wed Aug 30 15:39:10 1989 Mankind must be without a doubt the most conceited race in the universe, for who else believes that God has nothing better to do than sit around all day and help him out of tight spots? By Alan Dean Foster Name: Jk #18 Date: Wed Aug 30 16:11:36 1989 The question I've always enjoyed and which no one has actually even attempted to answer is: if God created EVERYTHING, where did GOD come from? You can't exactly say "primal force of the universe" (or whatever) because this was supposed to be around BEFORE the universe. Who, exactly, are God's parents? I could believe God is a gawky fr0sh doing a science experiment for biology class... Name: Ironman #120 Date: Wed Aug 30 17:58:53 1989 Even God had a tough time trying to come up with a way to explain how he ALWAYS WAS, Jk. He tried to show us by saying " I am the Alpha and the Omega ". He tried to show us by saying " I AM ". He tried to show us by.......well, look it up for yourself. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Wed Aug 30 20:25:38 1989 Krazy Kitty: I like that quote... Name: Doomer #20 Date: Wed Aug 30 20:57:32 1989 Krazy Kitty: Where did that quote come from? Or did Foster say that..? Ironman: Yeah, whatever. That's a pretty cool way to explain you're self "I'm A and Z" Whoopee. This guy's supposed to be Omnipotent right?? He'd FIND a way to explain it if he were. How can GOD have a hard time explaining it? Supposedly He knows us perfectly, and SHOULD know EVERYTHING. Name: Black Demon #216 Date: Thu Aug 31 02:55:27 1989 God was created along time ago in a bum`mind who had to much ale to drink that day. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Thu Aug 31 06:51:58 1989 I DO like that "I am alpha and omega.." bit. I'll hafta put that in my holy writ.. Name: Ozz #141 Date: Thu Aug 31 09:04:55 1989 Heh JK, I brought that up last year, and no one answered it... I guess Iron Man wasn't there to set us straight! Name: Birdman #223 Date: Thu Aug 31 17:31:20 1989 The Bible was, think a set of rules and guidelines for that society to live by long ago, and it was "inspired by the word of God," and written by mortals (who are well-known for fantasies, misnterpretations and falsehoods). The best thing to come our of the bible was/is the golden rule. Live it...and I think you're pretty much an OK person. Piss on others...expect to be shit upon! Name: Utwo #109 Date: Thu Aug 31 22:39:22 1989 Here's a strange thought: Ok imagine nothing at all. The entir universe does not exist. Now think how you do and why you do exist. That's the reason man made God. I get shivers just thinking that because it's so complex and probablly the worst vicious circle. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Fri Sep 01 The words "There is no God" Do appear in the Bible but they are proceeded (in context) by the words: "A fool has said in his heart... (There is no God)". Check it out for yourself in Psalm 14:1. The word for Fool had a slightly different meaning than it does today. The NIV STUDY BIBLE notes that the Hebrew word for "Fool" means: One who is Morally Deficient; Immoral. As for this being Satan's world as Heavensent said; Yes, Satan does hold power and authority AT THIS TIME in this world, That is why Satan is refered to as "The god (little "g" here) of this world" in 2nd Corinthians 4:4. God still hold the "title" to this World, but until Jesus returns again, Satan is much like the evil landlord, but not the ultimate owner. His time is limited and he is allowed to have power only so that there is evil for us to CHOOSE from, What GOOD is FREE WILL if there is nothing WRONG to choose from? Satan serves a purpose NOW, but in the end, after all people have MADE their CHOICES, there will be no further need for him and his existence will in no way be tolerated. Fire Escape Name: Nikademus #203 Date: Fri Sep 01 15:20:29 1989 If this truely is Satan's world, then it is Hell. Welcome to Hell folks, we are at Satan's mercy. Where did God come from? Good question, almost as good as the one about the meaning of life. God is the supreme being, who has no end, infinite in every way, who does work in mysterious ways. One day, this universe will collapse into a singularity (the big crunch), only to explode into the universe all over again (the big bang). It is said that this has happened many a times. And the only being to survive this 'cosmic egg' is the one who started it, God. And only those who are at one with God can be saved. Every time the big bang happens there is a new heaven and earth. At the end of the bible, it mentions this. God is an universe in himself, of which has no limits. All matter, energy, souls and beings came from God. He is the first and the last in our universe, only by being in him (his universe) can we be saved. Even Satan and his hell will be destroyed when this universe goes. Don't worry, the Universe should not crunch until about 2000 trillion years from now, taking into account the massive stars that have not turned into Black Holes, and the matter in the universe would take quite some time to get pulled into a giant black hole. When two black holes collide they make a bigger black hole, until there is more of a giant black hole than matter. God is the keeper of these universes that have been and will be..... Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Fri Sep 01 18:00:42 1989 One thing..free will does not mean choosing between "good" and "evil" and nothing more....free will is choosing to "worship" or "not worship". About the good and evil thing--if that's free will and choice, then I don't think anyone ever alive will make it to this Heaven.. Name: Headless Chicken #6 Date: Fri Sep 01 23:10:13 1989 Correction on "The Big Crunch": Right now scientists do not know if there is enough mass in the universe to pull space into the "Big Crunch." If there isn't enough mass, the universe will just cool down and turn into a vast expanse of usless energy. Either way, it's not time to build your end-of-the-universe survival shelters. Name: Birdman #223 Date: Fri Sep 01 23:42:23 1989 Interesting that God is controlling this big bang and crunch theory...yet scientists can (pretty acturately) predict when it will (or won't happen). So what you're saying is that science CAN predict when all these changes will take place but science CANNOT in any way at all prove the existence of God or the stories in the bible. Interesting to say the least. .....Big bang and big crunch...I wonder if God has ever thought of making breakfast cereals... Name: Jk #18 Date: Sat Sep 02 04:18:44 1989 Yep, FE ignored my question.. How predictable... Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sat Sep 02 02:56:36 1989 But she knew my quote! I figured someone would find it and post it. It is sort of wonderful knowing the shit that that little quote disturbed though. The lesson in it is you can find any thing you want in the bible. In or out of any context you desire. Name: Headless Chicken #6 Date: Sat Sep 02 03:21:33 1989 Questions and Ignorance: You must learn that questions with painful answers will be ignored. Such is the way of the world. Name: Ironman #120 Date: Sat Sep 02 11:38:22 1989 That's certainly one way to look at it. Another way is to see that one person is on a zillion boards, answering any and all questions, and SOMETIMES may take a little extra time to answer a particular question. Naaah......let's not look at it that way, though...........that's too much like reality. Name: Jk #18 Date: Sat Sep 02 15:07:10 1989 Bahahaha...you're getting lamer by the day, IM. Seems she had PLENTY of time to answer every OTHER question. Just admit failure...you'll feel better. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Sun Sep 03 00:17:16 1989 Keep asking the question. Make it a macro. heh O well, I've got a lot of line noiz so I'll end the post here.