Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Sat Aug 19 11:05:52 1989 Yes...but we do love you all... Jesus says to(I'm not exactly sure where...FE might know of where I'm talking about) but anyway, He says to love the enemies, and even have compassion for them. For they know not what they do.(Spiritually blinded) ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Daigoro #41 Date: Sat Aug 19 23:11:48 1989 Yes.. but how does god love those that are damned to hell? Name: Stex #22 Date: Sun Aug 20 00:37:43 1989 Kinda stupid of God to give us free will then if he is just gonna turn around and say,"You know not what you do." Gee, kinda defeats the purpose. 'ell, I know what I do so... Maybe I am spiritually blinded, but it's better then stunting my spiritual growth with Xtianity. :) 'ell, the whole thing is more materialistic then spiritual. I mean, I suppose it take the material item to catch most people's attention tho. Kinda like the big spiffly decorated church. All the fine robes and giving money, etc and so on. Very few really truly act on the spiritual side, 'ell anyone can preach up on an altar, they're not giving the money and all. And all the people, there, hypocrites a lot of 'em, they go to church, goes in one ear out the other. Think they'll be saved because they go to church and it says to in the bible so. Church means nothing unless you act on it so... As for the damned souls, I mean they're only going to respond, well we should feel compassion for their spiritual ignorance, and God id all-loving so.... I guess this means Name: Stex #22 Date: Sun Aug 20 00:38:52 1989 God loves Satan, eh? And all the mass murders. I guess someone needs to, and he is the cause of 'em all so... He created 'em. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sun Aug 20 11:38:53 1989 Wish you wouldn't have said that, I know what they'll say..siigh. If someone gave me a decent salary, I could stand at a podium and preavh about evils of Satan and the love sof God.. Name: Ironman #120 Date: Mon Aug 21 14:05:58 1989 Believe it or not, the position of pastor, or preacher, or reverend, or is not an easy one. It is, believe it or not, extremely difficult. For instance, they have to work with folk who, as someone mentioned previously, are hypocrites. And liars. And cheats. But, to paraphrase Jesus if I may, these "slobs" are the exactly the type of folks who Jesus came to save. So: the "preacher" is "stuck" with them. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Mon Aug 21 17:24:26 1989 I just had a strange thought over lunch...do masochists go to hell¿ if they do, wouldn't it NOT be punishment? After all, they'd like it.® (see? Strange thought..) Name: Doomer #20 Date: Tue Aug 22 10:24:09 1989 "NOoooooooooooo, don't send me to heaven!! PLEASE!!!!!" Bahahahhahaaaa, I can see that. Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Tue Aug 22 13:56:26 1989 I agree with you on one point Stex...People are gonna get a real big surprise(the ones that think as long as they attend Church, they're saved) when they finally come face to face with God...and he tells them "Away from me I never knew you"(Spiritually meaning that those people never accepted Him as their Lord and Savior, so they didn't inherit the kingdom of God). Also, something was said about does God love Satan and all the mass murderers? Remember that at one time Satan was one of the highest angels of God. Satan became rebellious thinking that he could become as Great as the one he was serving at the time(God). And so thought a few other angels. God punished Satan and these "angels" and sent them to Earth. The rebellious angels then became Demons...and well, Satan became the prince of Darkness. About the mass murderers...yes God even loves them. He is always there with open arms waiting for them to repent. He loves the Satan worshippers....even after they turn on Him..And Daigaro(sp) I'll say it again...God gives those people that are now in Hell(gave rather) the CHANCE to turn TO Him.....when they mocked Him....He didn't say that's it! You're going to Hell! To the day they died God gave them the chance to find Him, and accept Him...and they didn't. Why didn't the ones that are now in Hell have compassion for a God who sent His only Son to die an agonizing death just for the sinners?????? For now.... ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Black Demon #216 Date: Tue Aug 22 17:35:57 1989 But think of it this way too,the liars and cheats, etc. are stuck with the preachers too. Name: Jk #18 Date: Wed Aug 23 01:47:19 1989 Seems to me this God guy must be a real dickhead to disown people he supposedly loves. I'm glad he's imaginary... (raisin' hell 'cause I don't have anything BETTER to do...) Name: Black Demon #216 Date: Wed Aug 23 02:45:25 1989 well you could see a preacher, yeah..and, and, give ah, ah all your money to him, yeah, and then ah,ah praise the lord yeah that`s it. Name: The Doc #139 Date: Wed Aug 23 09:22:04 1989 Haven't posted here for a while.... So your god doesn't give anyone in hell a chance to redeem themselves? So much for an "all-loving" god.... Like I said before, there are too many contradictions for it to be true. Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Wed Aug 23 10:32:27 1989 The all Loving God...gave the people while they were alive a chance to redeem themselves...no matter how old they lived to be. If they didn't make the major decision before their death....it's their problem. ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Stex #22 Date: Wed Aug 23 13:08:49 1989 But..If he was ALL-loving wouldn't he give those in hell another chance? Would he not hate to see them, his children(in a sense), made in his own image, be in pain and suffering, and he justs lets 'em go? Hmmmm. I'd think that he'd personally see to it that they'd find him, kinda like the parable the Prodigal Son, ya know what I mean? Name: Birdman #223 Date: Wed Aug 23 15:12:52 1989 All Loving God??? I don;t think so (although I spent 25 years going to church)....I mean people with AIDS...cancer....crippling diseases....don't you think for example of the 100,000+ AIDS patients in the country (a lot of them little children) that at least SOME of them are extremely religius? If so...doesn't it occur to you that at least some of them have prayed for forgiveness and healing? How many have beat it so far?: 0 So much for love, forgiveness and a happy life! Name: Flyer #225 Date: Wed Aug 23 21:01:16 1989 Well.. you see, life is like a test, living, making decisions, etc. Sure, many people with AIDS may pray, and so on. But, God is not there to make everyone happy, and in well being, but yet to show those who ask it for the right path, and help in making the decisions. God is all-loving, for he loves everyone, but he is NOT a genie or something... Hope this clears something up.. Name: Birdman #223 Date: Thu Aug 24 02:09:55 1989 So what you're saying basicly is that God answers prayers selectively....for those who DESERVE his kindness....? And as for his NOT being a genie.....if you believe that he created everything around us...I would pretty much say that a genie can do far les than God...I mean I WAS raised in a church....to believe that Jesus healed lepers...blind people....etc by merely LAYING HIS HANDS ON THEM!!!! ŠSounds pretty powerful to me....and God is his father, right? So where's all this healing...or was that for different people in a different time? It's the same old religious people WANT to believe (because they're afraid if they don't they'll be banished to some imaginery place like hell)...but they cannot prove God's existence....and YES I would love to believe there is a power in control of our destinies....but with all the pain and suffering around us....I find it very hard to accept....Faith to me...seems like a cop-out to accepting the realities...of living...dying....and sufferin that many people around us endure every day.... Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Thu Aug 24 06:38:56 1989 And, what about his supposed omnipotency? You say he isn't a "genie", but wouldn't an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent being be close enough? Name: Flyer #225 Date: Thu Aug 24 10:50:12 1989 No not really.. cuz you don't make wishes and hope to get them answered. Instead, a prayer is made for YOUR OWN good, not to miraculously (sp?) heal one, or something, but to enlighten yourself spiritually, in preparation for when you die. Based on the type of decisions you made, and how you believed in God, and so on, you go to heaven or hell. That is my interpretation... Name: Ozz #141 Date: Thu Aug 24 11:07:27 1989 Bah! spacebar city Name: Doomer #20 Date: Thu Aug 24 14:56:21 1989 Well, so basically what God is saying is "I'll give you 60 years to see if you can accept me and if not you can spend billions in punishment....kind of a stiff punishment, no? AND if God was Just, how can he give the same punishment to us on earth that he gave to those that fought a WAR with him and tried to over throw him!? There's quite a bit of difference I'd say! Flyer: Go on, change your story one more time.. Name: Black Demon #216 Date: Thu Aug 24 18:09:43 1989 over half a million have beaten aids® just like they did cancer. they died, but they got rid of the aids in them. Name: Jk #18 Date: Thu Aug 24 20:02:23 1989 What's your hangup with incurable diseases and death? Well, here's hoping you contract one soon... But yes, tell me why a god who loves all people infintely or whatever would allow them to suffer enternal torment because for a few paltry decades thy didn't do what he said? In fact, what you are saying is that the whole damn meaning of life and the reason for your God granting free will to creatures is to see if they'd obey his every command ANYWAY. YOu're saying life is nothing but a big test which this God then uses to decide who he fries and who gets to sit around for eternity with him. Seems to me he's just bored... Name: Flyer #225 Date: Thu Aug 24 20:17:50 1989 I suppose that the conversation will never end anyway, and no one will change their views over a post or another, so I guess I don't have much comment... DooM: I didn't change my story, just responded to two different viewpoints and discussions, so in effect, the other users changed the story. Oh well.. Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Thu Aug 24 21:07:57 1989 God does not look at people and say "Ok...I don't like you too much and so your going to Hell" and then look at another and say "Hey! Come live with me!" He wants all to live eternally in His kingdom. He can't MAKE anybody do anything....but it is a commandment. Yes, you are suppose to spend your life doing what God asks you to, for He knows what will be best for you. Oh yeah...Birdman....guess what! I'm handicapped! Gee, you know what...I'm not bitter....you know what....I use to pray that if it was God's will for me to be healed...then it would be done! You know what though...it just might not be God's Will! Perhaps God sent me to Earth with what I have to witness to others! Gee, ya think!?!!!?! Maybe even to people who have NOTHING but their own STUBBORNESS as a problem.....hmmmmmmmm ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Warrior Of The Son #116 Date: Thu Aug 24 21:39:14 1989 Good post.. Heavensent. Name: Nikademus #203 Date: Thu Aug 24 22:02:35 1989 Just wave a magic wand and make it go away? Do you know what that sounds like....??? "Hey Moe, look! The Gensis of the lamp! Nuck nuck nuck!"