Name: Midnight Rambler #103 Date: Sat Aug 12 20:43:55 1989 I think he was being sarcastic..Fritos with bean dip???? Name: Jk #18 Date: Sat Aug 12 22:24:30 1989 How very noble of you IM...yes, the Great Word of God, translated by our very own IM has been passed down to man: All non-Christians are bigots. Get a new song, buddy...this one's wearing thin. Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Sat Aug 12 23:06:54 1989 Haven't been on in a while..very interesting... First-to bring up a rather old argument......I was reading something about don't pull the emotional stuff on me...that's beside the point. Could that have been said because it was hitting the person that said it? and he couldn't admit to himself that perhaps the Christians were right? Axl-you posted that even if there was a Heaven, you wouldn't want to spend eternity there...cause eternity is a long time? Yeah it is...I wonder what or I bet the people in hell right now are saying...."you bet it is pal". I know I'd rather be in Heaven for eternity....than in Hell. Also...how do you know....answer this directly... that it is a fact that there is no God? And don't give me all that crap about...the big bang.....scientists say..! For your info....scientists today are coming to realize that things happening in the universe prove that there must be some "Supreme" being out there. And for them saying even that much...it's a miracle. Let's put it this way-If you "heathens" are right..then us Christians have nothing to loose because we wouold have just been spending our time on earth the way we decided to. And when we die...then we die...no soul...as lifeless as a nail. BUT If the Christians are right in Believing Christ is Lord and Savior, God created us all, etc., then you've got everything to loose. Take a little responsibility "just in case". Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Sun Aug 13 00:14:32 1989 Yeah But even IF (BIG if) I were to goto hell, it's would be, like you said, for eternity, so immediately when I get there that crap wouldn't bother me cuz I'd be there for eternity!! Hell, I mean nothing can affect you if you're eternal........ But, there is no heaven or hell, just a nice cemetary plot........ Name: Daigoro #41 Date: Sun Aug 13 00:38:17 1989 I said that most religion is private and subtle. The moral majority is a distinct minority. of America are Christian but only a few show up to protest at all that crap. Most of them are just hypocrites anyway. Where I went to high school I knew only one self-righteous holy roller out of a class of 200, My point is that you can't judge all religion by the few idiots who stand out. Nonetheless, if you accept the blame wholly and entirely for slavery, then I guess you can lay the blame of whatever the hell you want to on religion, but by that reasoning your to blame even if you have denounced religion because your ancestors didn't or maybe because you dojn't picket churches, or because you don't burn bibles. In short, you can always find some twisty path to lay blaim on whoever you want for whatever you want, but that's a pretty sad way to go through life. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Sun Aug 13 00:58:20 1989 Ironman, quit giving us that bullshit accusing us of being racist. You have nothing to back yourself up, so you just fling about accusations, so just shut up unless you are going to contribute rationally! Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sun Aug 13 12:04:43 1989 Yes....I second the motion. Daigoro: Point taken, and the subtle Xians, those are fien..it's the peopl ehtat are on one-man crusades to save the world from us evil pagans that get me.. Name: Ozz #141 Date: Mon Aug 14 02:29:05 1989 Ironman: Maybe if you read the posts, you would make more sense....As my favorite dork(big guy) woudl say... That's moronic Logic.... Name: The Doc #139 Date: Mon Aug 14 10:27:38 1989 Heavnsent, you asked, um, what's-his-name to prove that God doesn't exist. Well, you know as well as I know that he can't. However, you, nor anyone else, can prove that God does exist, so what's the point? Name: Nu Kreechur #107 Date: Mon Aug 14 15:08:23 1989 Proof--yeah, what is the point. If we want to get really technical, none of us can PROVE anything to another individual. All data MUST be interpreted and analyzed, and therefore, two persons can get totally different conclusions from the same data. Consistency and practicality are the best measures of the "probability of truthood" though. Consistency and practicality in philosophy and empirical archeological science, as well as mathematics and probablities, demonstrate the validity of a high "probability of truthood" content in a belief in an Almighty God. I can't claim that I am right beyond a doubt, to you, because that statement would be irrelevant to you. I can only offer data, and share my personal interpretation, for your acceptance or denial. Nothing more, nothing less. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Mon Aug 14 16:58:55 1989 Ditto!! See previous post.... The way I see it, Christians couldn't win either way in your eyes folks. Either they are so backslidden, complacent or apathetic about what they profess that they become despicable "hypocrites" in your view OR they are consistent with their faith in word and deed and become despicable "fanatics" in your view, which one would you like to damn us for? Personally, I would rather suffer as a fanatic than as a hypocrite. Fire Escape (not Lukewarm Escape) Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Mon Aug 14 19:05:57 1989 Ahemm Well said! ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Nu Kreechur #107 Date: Mon Aug 14 21:05:18 1989 Hey, there is a lot to be said for hypocricy ... I think we can "win" in the eyes of others, as Christians. Personally, I pay no attention, in other words, I try not to retaliate, to criticism that are unfounded and rationally lacking. If the criticism isn't a "smokescreen" or "insult" than I will try to adress it to the best of my ability, if it is a "smokescreen" I try to redirect the discussion in a different, more personal, direction. I fully admit this and declare it. Does anyone have any comments on this: Micheal Been of The Call said in an interview with RFT that all the conflicts and struggles in the world are reflections of man's inner spiritual struggle. All conflict and sorrow can be boiled down to that which wages war within a man. I believe that Mr.Been was quite correct in stating this, and that each of us must make a sincere effort to change our very heart and being to something better and more conductive to peace and love. Without prematurely judging others, one should reserve judgement for himself, and evaluate himself before he criticizes another. Until the inner man is changed, the outward expression of man will continue to be corrupt and wicked. Name: Darkstarr #179 Date: Mon Aug 14 22:33:09 1989 Im not putting anyone down.. We as individuals, do as we like, or at least what our government lets us do. If anyone wants to go to church, or temple, or chappel, they may do so. If they want to believe, then do so. I believe, but in my belief i find different answers. I see where most religions use the bible, to gain, not spiritual gains, but monatary. Jesus, told his deciples to go forth and spread the word, he also said dont ask for money, or anything else, he told them the father would provide. Now as far as I see, there sure are alot of Bakers, and Swaggerts, out there. Jesus must have been talking to a wall. Name: Daigoro #41 Date: Tue Aug 15 01:49:52 1989 Darkstarr.. In fact a friend of mine (sadly cursed with a holy-roller step-mother) told me about a part of the bible where is says, more or less, that people should NOT go around pressing their views on others, he was waiting for the perfect time to use it on the "sacred one" who called him son. Name: Darkstarr #179 Date: Tue Aug 15 07:55:03 1989 Now that is what i mean. So many bible out there, with different interpritations. I think mabey somewhere , someone, is playing games. Name: Ironman #120 Date: Tue Aug 15 17:36:29 1989 Hmmm.....a step-mother who calls her step-child "son".Hmmm.......... Sounds pretty dang nice to me. Well, that's those nasty Xians for you. Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Tue Aug 15 18:18:35 1989 Ironman..if you're gonna be a lamer, don't call. Name: Daigoro #41 Date: Tue Aug 15 23:36:08 1989 Hey Axl.. waddya have to go and insult Ironman for? I mean, I was rather amused by his..um...biting satire...and...um...poignant and relavent comments...um...um....heheh... Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Wed Aug 16 07:00:09 1989 Yes, his...wit...was very...amusing..and showed just how much they can...contribute..to this conversation. Heh. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Wed Aug 16 07:30:10 1989 Ironman...you're babbling again. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Wed Aug 16 16:16:42 1989 Ah Ironman... I love you! "Don't keep the faith: Share it..." Name: Warrior Of The Son #116 Date: Thu Aug 17 20:35:31 1989 Leave the Old Ironman alone. Haaa Ironmen as you noticed I put oolldd. JUST KIDDING keep it up!! Name: Nu Kreechur #107 Date: Thu Aug 17 23:25:42 1989 Each man is judged according to the Light revealed to him. God holds each person accountable to the manner in which he reacts to the Light given him. Jesus Christ is the FULL revelation, THE Light, FULL of grace and glory, all of God that can be seen by man. So, you've had the Light shown full in the face. Who are you going to serve? Be a critical thinker, examine the enemy. You may be surprised how much He loves you . Have an excellent life, and I might see yall around. May you each answer the door that you hear knocking soon. Name: Daigoro #41 Date: Thu Aug 17 23:43:30 1989 And above all remember that God loves you even if you forsake him. If you forsake him you will burn in hell. God will stand by you always and his son has died to absolve your sins. While the ignorant may be spared, those who have seen the light and turned away are headed for eternal damnation. God loves all of his children who he created in his own image. You're living in the devil's sin....religion is one thing but where does this bullshit end? Give me an answer to that. P.S. Oh and Fireman, Inferno, Fire Alarm, whatever the hell your name is, don't let your faith be subverted by these heathen bastards, keep the faith! Name: Ironman #120 Date: Fri Aug 18 03:55:26 1989 Oh you you...you guyz ! Just thought I'd add my two cents worth . Name: Darkstarr #179 Date: Fri Aug 18 04:53:07 1989 heathon's? Heres one. By all concepts of christian upbringing, The christmas tree, is going against jesus law. I cant stand hips Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Fri Aug 18 17:17:02 1989 Jesus's law? Which law is that Darkstarr? The one that says, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul" or "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."?? Those are the two greatest commandments and Jesus himself said that ALL the LAW and All the prophets was summed up in those two. So which one of those does a Christmas tree violate? I think it might violate the first one if you were "worshipping" the tree or were more "fired up" about the tree than you are about the Lord. Unless you hit your neighbor over the head with your christmas tree, I fail to see how it violates the second one. Any clues? Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sat Aug 19 09:17:35 1989 It's just amazing that Xians will stand in front of an Ozzy Osbourne concert and yell at people to give up paganistic ways and preach fire and brimstone and then say "Well, we love you like a brother"...Yeah, right.