Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Sun Jul 30 13:21:20 1989 Why would they? There's nothing wrong with Cosby or Beethoven. Oh yeah by the way, I'm not a guy...thank you very much! ~~Heavnsent~~ Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Sun Jul 30 15:03:33 1989 People are trying to outlaw Ozzy just because some INSANE kid committed suicide while listening to his music. I have heard every Ozzy song and not ONE of them tells you to commit suicide....... Name: Roadtoad #165 Date: Sun Jul 30 16:41:55 1989 Sometimes the Cosby Show makes me awful sick, but I don't think it'll ever be bad enough that I'd kill myself (not quite). Name: Utwo #109 Date: Sun Jul 30 18:19:21 1989 I liked the last one.. What was funny was listening to the old lady who's probablly never even heard a whole line of music of OZZY's (I haven't either (unless I didn't know it at the time) but I'm not the one protesting) saying it brings down the morals of the nation. The parents who have kids with out brains should be more responsible for their kids then OZZY. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sun Jul 30 19:45:17 1989 Heavnsent: SO, if someone kills themself after listening to a depressing Beethoven symphony it's "ok", but if they kill themself after listening to ozzy o, it's suddenly because of his music and immorality and evilness? Get real... Have you ever READ the lyrics to Suicide Solution? Doubtful....if you did, you'd see he was talking AGAINST suicide. Almost as bad as people thinking Def Leppard's "Gods of War" is pro-war, when it's vehemently AGAINST it... Name: Slitter #130 Date: Sun Jul 30 20:46:11 1989 It sounds much the same.. as the many rock songs that talk against using drugs. Most people hear only the nature of the subject and assume what position the band is taking. They are totally in error because they do not listen to the words. I refer to songs like "The Pusher" "Life in the Fast Lane" "That Smell" and so on. Most of these get a bad rap because people ASSUME that they are promoting drugs rather than advising against them. Ah well, people will always be thus. Name: Mr. Ed #1 Date: Sun Jul 30 23:40:33 1989 Everyone has a right to peacefully protest anything they don't agree with (what a country!) But that's where the line of protest is drawn. These protests are good if they are informative and educational instead of just a bunch of self-righteous name-callers. As far as kids go, where are the parents during all of this. They are the ones responsible for their kids. Too many people make use of the TV-babysitter. They don't take the time to teach their children about right and wrong. They wrongfully assume it is society's job to do that. If parents don't want their kids going to see Ozzy (or ANY other exhibition of the arts) then its their business. But, I do hope that every decision they make is full of love for their kid. Protecting them from other ideas is not always a good idea. Censorship ring a bell here? But, there are places and times where a child is not intended to be. Hopefully their parents know their children well enough to know where to draw their line. Name: Ozz #141 Date: Mon Jul 31 01:25:41 1989 There are no depressing Beethoven symphonies, Gryphon, get your facts straight. Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Mon Jul 31 09:57:49 1989 Gryphon, "Suicide Solution" is not a song against suicide. It is a song against alcoholism. Suicide: killing your self Solution: mixture of liquids Add the two together and it is a song about how alcohol can destroy your life....... Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Mon Jul 31 10:29:55 1989 Axl: My point still stands... Ozz: ALL classical music is depressing. Thppt...well, maybe not the W.T. Overture, that's nice...even tho it's only part of a longer piece that I can't recall the name of..oh well. Never mind. Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Mon Jul 31 11:32:34 1989 I agree partly with Mr. Ed. Maybe totally......this may sound the same. Parents should be around more...not let the T.V. be the babysitter, especially nowadays....But I think that parents should keep their kids away from everything that they know to be harmful. Some situations however..should be experienced, 'cause kids can grow from it. Still dunno 'bout Ozzy though..............(DUNKING) ~~Heavnsent~~ Name: Ozz #141 Date: Mon Jul 31 12:28:06 1989 Gryphon: The William Tell Overture is the name of the piece, you are merely thinking of the most famous partof it.... I remember you saying on Acropolis that you love Beethoven's 5th... Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Mon Jul 31 16:06:53 1989 Are classical and elevator music the same thing...if so, I like it too....puts me to sleep when I play insomniac. ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Brightside #153 Date: Mon Jul 31 17:48:21 1989 I know that most of you guys are probably under the 25 realm, right? Well, heres a response from an "oldie" (but hopefully still a goodie). I don't consider myself a "self-righteous" bigot, but being the mother of two teenage sons, this discussion seems a little one-sided (except for Heavensent). I'm glad to see she's one of the "under 25" group and still seems level-headed. First of all, let me say that I would not allow my boys to go to the Ozzie concert, even if they wanted to (which they have never expressed that desire). Now, let me explain myself and try to be patient with me and step outside your hard-core beliefs and just be objective....The reasons are varied, but the most important reason I would have to list is that this type of concert would add NOTHING to their value system. My sons are 14 and 15 and I feel that I still have the authority and right to censure what they see and where they go. I love them and still feel that it is my God-given right as a parent to protect them until the time comes that they must go out on their own....and yes, I guess I AM trying to instill my values into them, and when they are old they will not depart from them (a little scripture thrown in). I try not to be too judgemental (remembering from whence I came ) but just as when they were little, I didn't let them stick their hands in fire just to find out that it burned. Also, I think you guys will feel very differently when you have kids of your own (yeah, I know I heard that line too, only now I found out its true) and you, too, will want them to be the best they can. Concerts such as these, only encourage those who attend to be "like" the "stars" - you've got to admit that - you don't go to something if you don't "like" the way they are - wouldn't make any sense. Well, this is way over 2cents worth, but I had to at least give you guys a taste of what its like when your on the "other side of the fence." Name: The Radical #163 Date: Mon Jul 31 19:40:54 1989 Well, I'm just glad my parents encouraged me tomake my own Choices.... we learn from each other.... I like some of my mom's favourite music, and she now likes some of my Heavy Metal....shocking, eh. I just think that if you overprotect your kid, he/she won't be ready for the real world. Name: Minnesota #83 Date: Mon Jul 31 19:58:26 1989 I think that it is good to encourage our kids to make their own choices. It builds character, strength, and self satisfaction. The key word here is choices, not CHANCES; at times parents should help them with those choices whether the help is asked for or not; Not to step on any toes, but kids in the 15 to 18 year old range have a blurred or biased sense of good and bad (I was there not long ago, I know), parents "overriding" decisions at times is not "overprotecting" it is simply protecting from the chance they want to take. ???? Name: Slitter #130 Date: Mon Jul 31 21:18:13 1989 Nonononononono! Classical music is NOT the same as elevator music. Elevator music is rock music play by 101 Strings (or it originally used strings, they probably play it on a piano). It is a repulsive parody of contemporary. Classical music, on the other hand, is a generic reference used to describe the popular musc of people who lived a long time ago. Generally, it is performed in much the same way as it was then...except we don't have a lot of the older instruments that they used to use and fewer musicians who can play them. Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Mon Jul 31 23:33:12 1989 Classical Music is stuff like Beethoven, etc. I rather enjoy going to the Symphony AND the Ozzy concert. I do NOT feel that rock concerts DETRACT from you value system at all. It is rather enjoyable!! And if you don't let them go to concerts because of the "atmosphere" what about movies?? Do you make sure they only go to movies that will add to their values or do you let them see whatever they want?? What about T.V.??? Or the radio????? Name: Jk #18 Date: Tue Aug 01 01:42:22 1989 Exactly... Not everything your child does in his or her life is going to add to their moral fibre...and it shouldn't. You also have to remember that if you try to expose your children ONLY to things YOU consider acceptable, you can end up socially crippling them. If a child has no conception of anything other than what the parents have decreed "okay", when mommy and daddy aren't there, they're going to have one hell of a time just trying to deal with other people unless everybody they ever meet is exactly like their parents as well. This might make sense in the morning (okay, LATER this morning...) Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Tue Aug 01 13:35:54 1989 I have learned alot from my parents. Much of what I see as being worthy is what my parents see as well. I'm a victim of being "overprotected" even though I'm 17. But, I realize my parents care alot for us. And that alone is worth alot. When, and if I EVER DO get to move out.....a few things will change in my lifestyle.....BUT NOT MUCH......Even though I maybe out from under my parents plan....I'm always gonna be under God's rules. ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Doomer #20 Date: Tue Aug 01 15:33:21 1989 Brightside: I agree with everything that's been said so far, would you keep your kids from going to Six Flags simply because it doesn't instill Morals in them? Face it, you wouldn't let them go because A) you don't understand it, B) You yourself don't like it, and/or C) You're a self-righteous bigot. :-> I used to go to the symphony, but it gets boring. Only went to the St. Louis Symphony once but I didn't always live here, sooooo.. Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Tue Aug 01 16:10:14 1989 Brightside: Does this also mean that you don't let your kids go to school??? Because, I for one know that at ANY school, there are gonna bed more bad influences than good influences. Just a fact of life...... Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Tue Aug 01 17:38:19 1989 Brightside clearly stated that she didn't expect us to agree with her. She said once you have kids of your own...things change......just keep that in mine...... ~~Heavensent~~ Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Tue Aug 01 19:42:51 1989 *I* won't have kids..my wife will. Ozzy concert: I wouldn't go to it....why? I'm not a big fan. If I were given the chance I would go to a GnR concert? Why? I'm a fan. I like the MUSIC. Just because people like the music does not mean their morals will be influenced and they will want to become just like the guy on the stage..gimme a break. Because i like GnR does not mean I want to grow up, get drunk every night, wear clothes that look like crap, and use the occasional needle... ŠTo stereotype rock singers with "immoral" people is not only immature, but unrealistic...even though Ozzy has claimed himself a Xian many times, people say "Well, no, that's impossible...he's just, well, BAD..." Back to parent control: Love is fine. The greatest kind of love is to allow freedom...freedom to make your own choices. If you truly loved your kid, you would allow him to grow up as HE wanted, not the way you want him to turn out.