Name: Doomer #20 Date: Sun Jun 25 01:25:50 1989 I for one would probably feel guilty for months if I went hunting. I can barely bring myself to kill FLYS, much less a deer. And THAT feeling came from myself, not society or parents. I thought it out and it bothers me that anyone could just snuff out any life like that..anyway... Gryph: But God is God, and he can contradict himself if he likes...he's GOD you know. Name: Jk #18 Date: Sun Jun 25 02:16:56 1989 It probably started when folx figured out that if they wasted their time killing each other, all the OTHER things that were trying to kill them would have an easier time of it. People began to work togther (and in fact forming cities) for mutual protection. After the threat didn't exist to such a great extent, humankind's natural violent tendencies began turning on itself, and crime was invented. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sun Jun 25 12:43:37 1989 Ditto..for me. It makes a helluva lot more sense than "Well, we read these like, tablets, you know? And THEN society had conscience.." Think. One person way back when could be a pacifist. he persuades his friends. they persuade those. poof...suddenly a whole community of pacifists is formed. everyone around them ignores them nd continues to kill needlessly, but they don't, because, well, they have a conscience about it.... no "special interlude" by a deity or anything THERE.. Name: Ozz #141 Date: Sun Jun 25 16:56:30 1989 Just think how much better if we had all 3 tablets(all 15 amendments), just how much better off we would be... Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Tue Jul 11 16:54:15 1989 Just think how much better it would be if everyone served Jesus... Name: Doomer #20 Date: Tue Jul 11 18:13:06 1989 And.. How hypocritical, and pompous, and conceited, and self-righteous. It would be no different than the church I used to attend...and that made me sick. Of course people probably wouldn't f*** with you so much, but I don't think I'd want to be around other people. I'd be a hermit, methinx. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Tue Jul 11 18:47:47 1989 If people were given a good, logical, reason to serve Jesus, instead of unproven wild claims and mystical mumbo-jumbo, they might. Why should we have faith in something that isn't proven? Name: Doomer #20 Date: Wed Jul 12 00:13:17 1989 You -know- what she's going to sayş "It IS proven. Jesus rose from the grave!!" I'm sick of all this. No one knows what the hell is going on, I get two different answers from two different people...come back when you get your story straight. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Wed Jul 12 05:30:36 1989 It's kinda fuuny isn't Doom..The same stuff we enjoy laughing at also annoys you sometimes. Name: Darkstarr #179 Date: Wed Jul 12 10:19:39 1989 The 10 commandments are the main rules that god ask us to follow. Buy following them we would make the creator happy. But alas we as hunans were given free thought, which in the long run means, we may screw up all we want. I believe in God but the cristian god is not totally what I believe in. Personally I feel God is much wiser than the one wrote about in the bible. If the bible was the true word, then why do christians, which say they follow gods word, act just backwords? 1. Jesus said tohis deciples: go forth and spread the word of god. And do so freely, do not ask for money, or supplies, god will provide them. Well, I have not been to a church yet that doesnt ask for ties, they even go sofar as to shove a plate under your nose, before any sermons are even said. ( like man, pay me to speak, or I wnt tell you about God). Give ties freely? Seems to me, that in order for me to make a donation, I should do so because I want to, not because Im being held up for it. I could go on for hours, but I wont, I just though Id really get things started. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Wed Jul 12 12:20:32 1989 Yeah, God does come off as a real butthead, sometimes, especially in the old testament. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Wed Jul 12 13:15:57 1989 I know..but then, fire and brimstone is always phun to read about... Good point, Darkstarr...tithes are asked for by our church...they send us little donation things in the mail. Me? Donate? Bah....we haven't been to church in 7 or 8 years, I mean get real.. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Wed Jul 12 15:30:51 1989 I agree completely with Darkstarr. People have screwed up God, or the way we think of God, anyway. Arrogance pretty well sums up Christian atitudes when it comes down to who's to be 'saved'... (Yes, I'm generalizing, I don't want to hear about it.) Name: Snappy #98 Date: Wed Jul 12 16:46:18 1989 Serving Jesus.. I will, but he has to have an ID proving that he is over 21. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Wed Jul 12 22:00:01 1989 I loved that, that was great... Name: Ozz #141 Date: Thu Jul 13 10:02:19 1989 Well, I might as well join in the Appreciative parade. snicker, Grin Name: Brightside #153 Date: Thu Jul 13 10:31:18 1989 I'll put my two cents in too! You guys are all snickering on the appreciative parade of RELIGION - I sniker too. What I don't snicker at is a one-on-one relationship with the one religion is supposed to be following - Jesus Christ. I was up to here ~ with religion, until I found out that rules and regulations and tithes and all that doctrine and tradition wasn't what God was after - after all. Funny how my prospective changed and I could lighten up when I found out that all God wanted was just to love and be loved. Simple plan, simple response, simple - salvation. (and I didn't have to spend years in purgatory to get it, gee)....:-) :-) :-) Name: The Doc #139 Date: Thu Jul 13 12:43:38 1989 I'm bored with all this religious crap being thrown in here. Hey, listen to the song "Religious Vomit" by the Dead Kennedys. As a matter of fact, listen to the whole album "In God We Trust, Inc." by them. God is a myth! Sure, there was a person named Jesus Christ, but how do we know he wasn't some lunatic who claimed he was the Son of God? Charles Manson said the same thing; how do we know he's not? Yes, I've explored several philosophies, so I am not ignorant of different teachings. What difference does it make? It's all bullsh*t! I know, I know, I'm gonna burn in hell for not accepting God. Well, if I don't believe in God, I don't believe in hell! Thppppttttt! (How's that for maturity?) Name: Doomer #20 Date: Fri Jul 28 21:00:27 1989 Being nice and moral Has nothing to do with enjoying life, it has more to do with whether the person has a broom stick up the old *ss. Name: Stratocaster #177 Date: Sat Jul 29 13:54:04 1989 I don't like Ozzy Osbourne but I hate people who go out and sdo things against him or anything else. They think that they are the only ones in the world. Name: Gorgar #215 Date: Sat Jul 29 15:54:33 1989 Protestors, If they don't like the person, don't buy a ticketˇ But, don't try to push your personal views on people who could care less about what you may think® My favorite saying : If you don't like it, get the Fu*k out!!! Name: Heavnsent #42 Date: Sat Jul 29 17:43:32 1989 Ok then..you mean to tell me that even after knowing about people or hearing about people(if you listen to reality)killing themselves and visiting the bounds of the earth from which Ozzy Osbourne tells you is great...tells you to end your life......even after knowing Ozzy Osbourne bites heads of bats, is very evil looking, and whose concerts have less than decent "gimmicks" if you will allow me to call them...it's not alright to try and protect soemone form that crap? I'm 17 years old and I agree with those people protesting his concert, it's not like their just a bunch of old people! I think people have a right to protest it if it's gonna have some bad outrageous effect on kids, which in turn has an outrageous effect on society? (I'm sorry, but I just had to voice my opinion...) ~~Heavnsent~~ Name: Stex #22 Date: Sat Jul 29 18:23:48 1989 That's the prob with society, they protest to save everyone else from those things they think or evil or bad, yet don't stop to consider that the kids going to the places have a brain on their shoulders and some sense, some do, others don't. So there are people, probably more then half I'd say that are going because they like the music(really!), not because it's Satanic rubish or that they will actually bite the head off an animal after the concert....gee! I mean would you bite the head off an animal after a concert. ŠIt's that ol' saying, live and learn. If you don't trust the kids enough they aren't gonna learn shit so.... Besides, others should have no say in what others do, that is our personal business, so it shouldn't matter if someone goes to a concert we don't like, eh? I mean, 'ell, as long as you aren't there... Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Sat Jul 29 18:44:46 1989 As I sent that guy e-mail I informed him he had absolutely NO idea what he was talking about. Funny how some people are so ignorant and then they go around spreading stuff that don't know anything about.... Name: Ozz #141 Date: Sat Jul 29 19:42:13 1989 I'm not going to get into this OZZY thing. Except to say these people have every right to protest(like burning the flag,eh), as long as they don't get in the way. I suspect Ozzy is a major jerk, but I am not going to worry much about it, there are people out there much worse than him. I know I like some of his older schtuff. Stex: I don't know if this is didagreeing with you are or not, as you only claimed 50% of the kids actually went for the music, but I remember a lot of the type of people who did go to these(in high school)these concerts, and a good deal of them were braindead.(ahh, for a full screen editor!) Name: Doomer #20 Date: Sun Jul 30 00:01:44 1989 First of all, biting off the head of that bat was an ACCIDENT people. He didn't know that it was alive first of all, and second he thought it was a toy. That was one of his 'gimmicks' biting toy bats and such. Second of all that song you referred to does not say 'kill yourself', go read the lyrics, try to UNDERSTAND them. THIS is the problem, people hear HALF of the story and tgo off the deep end. I don't really care for Ozzy Osbourne THAT much (Haven't really listened to him so I can't say he's good or bad, since I've heard maybe 3 songs tops) but, come on! This is about as DUMB as all the "Last Temptation of Christ" business. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sun Jul 30 01:32:55 1989 I'm not an OZZY fan..but i hate it when he gets blamed for stuff. Like a guy sues him because his son committied suicide. It is like my son died because he saw Ozzy osbourne...Jeez.. doe you think your divorce and heroin adiction had anything to do with it... ŠPeople get blamed because they are vulnerable targets, not because they are necesariily guilty. The people who protested had a right to do so, as long as they did it peacefully. Right or Wrong on the isssue, it is their freedom to voice their opinion. Name: Axl Rose #93 Date: Sun Jul 30 05:05:47 1989 I wonder if someone commited suicide while listening to Beethoven or watching the Cosby Show if someone would try to outlaw those????????