Name: The Radical #163 Date: Fri May 26 19:50:23 1989 Spiritual revelation.. pphhttthhhhhft. I don't know, you read the revelation of the apocolypse, sounds like John had been chewin on the ol' magic mushrooms. Hmmmmm, maybe thats how you find god. Maybe if I start doing the right drugs I'll see the light. nah, that's even dumber than literal belief in the bible (but not by much.) Name: Utwo #109 Date: Fri May 26 23:32:07 1989 So they were heavy drug users..big deal they got their fame. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sat May 27 21:47:49 1989 Everyone must believe Something....I Believe I'll have another beer. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Wed May 31 01:15:18 1989 You're avoiding the points we make. That's all I'm saying this gets silly after while and just need to take a brake. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Wed May 31 06:18:44 1989 Really.. Do these people read our messages? 1. Wow. This guy said "I'm the son of God." The immediately makes him truthful..personally I think he as just being a good samaritan. 2. It is IMPOSSIBLE for us to turn to EVIL if GOD who created EVERYTHING waws ALL-GOOD. If he is ALL-GOOD then EVERYTHING HE CREATED was good. THUS, there was no evil unless HE CREATED IT. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Wed May 31 07:39:58 1989 IF God is perfect, how could he create anything less than perfect, that was only "very good". Shoddy quality control? Name: Utwo #109 Date: Wed May 31 16:15:30 1989 There's a cool Far Side cartoon at the beginning of one of the galleries that shows this jar marked humans on it's side with humans crawling out and this voice from above says "Ut oh!". It's pretty funny if you can understand it. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Thu Jun 01 04:53:12 1989 FE: There was no comparison of Jesus and Nostradamus, it was of the bible and nostradamus. Both are full of silly prophesies that can be applied to about anything you could possibly want to apply them to. Since you have contradicted yourself on the God creating us perfect, good etc issue, you have lost that portion of the argument, and along with it a good amount of support for your other weak arguments. If you like to believe in the words of Christ, how come you only choose to believe in the human aspect of them... The Judgement perspective the courtroom etc? In one of his parables, Jesus leads Peter to the conclusion that the more you sin, the greater God's love is for you is greater because the "debt" that he pardons is greater. Sounds to me that, because of this information, the only way to go through life is enjoying it, and making any and all mistakes along the way. If someone took you to an extremely expensive resturaunt, and told you that you could have anything on the menu, would you chose crackers and water? Didn't think so... Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Thu Jun 01 06:26:42 1989 Radical: Perfection does not breed perfection...if you think about it, being perfect means you can create perfection and perfect imperfection and imperfection....just because this so-called "perfect d00d" created us doesn't mean that we are perfect. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Thu Jun 01 08:14:01 1989 But..a perfect being would not want to create imperfection, because that would make him less than perfect. He would have the capability to do it, but not the will. Name: Morrissey #168 Date: Thu Jun 01 12:15:49 1989 Or From another point of view: The Perfect d00d was perfectly bored, and didn't want a bunch of carbon copies of himself running around, and thusly created us. Name: Roadtoad #165 Date: Thu Jun 01 14:47:43 1989 If He is perfect and we are not, then none of us can have any idea of what it is to be perfect. Seems like a waste of time to argue about something that nobody can prove either way. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Thu Jun 01 16:12:08 1989 Do you have to be perfect to have a perfect thought? *I* don't think so. Perfect is a permanent state of being. If God was Perfect SOME of the time, he wouldn't be perfect. Thus we COULD possibly conceive of perfection. Name: Jk #18 Date: Thu Jun 01 18:00:03 1989 Perfection aside, if this God created us with the capability to do evil ON PURPOSE, knowing full well the pain that would cause in our world, it sorta screws up the "God loves everybody" theory. Sounds more like "God screwed us over royally"® Changing subjects is my life... Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Fri Jun 02 13:56:46 1989 Sin=Pardon? Snappy you say that the more we sin the greater God's grace, therefore we should sin more to give God more to forgive?? That's an ancient thought. Someone asked Paul that about 2,000 years ago and this is what He had to say about it, "The Law was added so that trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHOULD WE GO ONE SINNING SO THAT GOD'S GRACE MAY INCREASE? BY NO MEANS! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" (Romans 5:20-6:2) What Jesus was stating was an observation. The observation he was making is that the one forgiven of the larger debt is more GRATEFUL. That's simple logic. He is explaining why the Woman was showing so much gratitude in her action, the pharisee didn't understand this. He wasn't advocating sin in any stretch of the imagination. Perhaps if you studied the Bible a little more instead of condemning it you would know these things. As for perfection and free will, you all have the free will to reject the truth as you seem to be content doing. Have fun. If yu ever get tired of telling yourself how you think God is, look up the truth sometime, it's not as bad as you seem to think it is. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Fri Jun 02 14:06:26 1989 And I suppose the Bible is the truth. yeah, right. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Fri Jun 02 16:53:23 1989 Why won't you ever even go near a lot of our points? You take the ones you might be able to say something striking about and ignore the rest...it's like talking to a book. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Fri Jun 02 20:23:29 1989 No not a book, a wall. They seem to consistently ignore the points about god creating evil and the mounds of proof we're piling over them...that's okay, hey, they're the ones with a bad showing... Since we can't defend it, let's just ignore it.. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sat Jun 03 11:32:54 1989 Why is it ok For you to bring up points in the Bible, but when I bring them up, they are wrong. Yet you say the Bible is full of only truths. The Word that Christ and Peter used was Love, not gratefulness. From your post I'd imagine you think more of the word of St. paul that of Christ. Is St. paul the True messiah? You know FE, when you are caught in a corner, and your arguments have been nailed to the floor boards, sometimes it is better to admit your defeat on some of the points and come up with some arguments that you have a possibility of winning as opposed to dragging your defeats out. Name: Slitter #130 Date: Sat Jun 03 15:33:08 1989 Which Bible are all of you talking about? There are numerous versions of the "Bible" which differ greatly from one another - and not just in translation. The Catholic version, the Morman version, the Gnostic version, the King James version, etc. etc. Whatever group uses one of these claims that it is the true Bible. Yet they differ so widely (entirely different books included and excluded) how can any of them be the real thing. Entire gospels have been ommitted from the King James/Revised Standard/and closely related Bibles. It amazes me that a religion can have so many doctrines. Š44/50: Bibles. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sat Jun 03 15:53:25 1989 Right. But they're ALL from the mouth of god and EVERY different sect is actually the true faith.. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Sat Jun 03 23:42:49 1989 Yes my friends.. but you OBVIOUSLY have NOT read the Holy Writ of Gryph! Ho hum... Speaking of news cutting in: Mr. Bad Man Ayatollah just died. Yea, now we can go back to doing our Great Satanic deeds in peace, eh? :) Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sun Jun 04 09:48:10 1989 The Holy Writ (First Chronicles) of Gwif is destined for the bestseller list... Name: The Radical #163 Date: Sun Jun 04 12:01:33 1989 In the Beginning... 1. Man created God; and in the image of man created he him. 2. And Man gave unto God a multitude of names, that he might be lord over all the earth when it was suited to Man. 3. And on the seven millionth day man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good. 4. And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind. 5. And these lesser men Man did cast into the void. And some were burned; and some were put apart from their kind. 6. And Man became the God he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth. 7. But as all these things did come to pass, the spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Aqualung. 8. And man saw it not. 9. But for Christs sake he'd better start looking. Name: Slitter #130 Date: Mon Jun 05 20:12:52 1989 Radical: Bravoˇ 'nuf said. I understand 8 people died while mourng Khomeni. These people got some powerful grief, I suppose. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Tue Jun 06 10:03:09 1989 I see no point which the word of God has not addressed on any issue you have mentioned. Just because you don't like the answers doesn't mean they are not true. I'm only the message boy, I didn't write it, I just believe it. I don't worship Paul or Peter but I do recognise their words as being inspired so I accept them as they asked us to. "The word of the Lord stands forever, and this is the word that was preached to you." (1st Peter 1:25) "All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and in training in righteousness." (2nd Timothy 3:16) and finally: "And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is at work in you who believe." (1st Thessalonians 2:13). For me, The Bible has proved itself to be more than a book, it has shown me a truth which has changed my heart and life. God has proven His love to me and the entire world, I have chosen to recognise it. Every man has a choice to see it or reject it. If anyone is really concerned about spiritual issues, it would be to their great benefit to examine what the Bible has to say about God before dismissing it. Be reconcilled with God before it is too late. Fire Escape Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Tue Jun 06 12:04:15 1989 Avoidance.® Too late. Why? Because the author of the book said so. oooooh.. Name: The Radical #163 Date: Tue Jun 06 15:55:20 1989 Oh yes, Peter and Paul said that they were inspired by god, but so did Charles Manson, should we follow him?