Name: Utwo #109 Date: Wed May 03 15:51:10 1989 HA HA don't make me laugh HC. That was sarcasim for those who are deprived. IM: I still want to know when you think the Genesis book was written, The reason Revelations is so strange is it was probablly written in a code like fashon because of the persecution that Christians were under at the time. Same type code as having a fish as one of there symbols and special ways to greet each other. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Thu May 04 13:51:36 1989 666 stood for Ceasar. It was the Numerical equivelent of his name. He was the beast the book talked about. Kind of funny how those numbers have been exploited since. (It also has been translated as 696 --- Equivelent of Nero Ceasar) Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Fri May 05 03:33:52 1989 Good trick Snappy, I'd like to see ANYONE quote the NEW TESTAMENT in the "ORIGINAL" Hebrew since it wasn't written in Hebrew, but rather Koine Greek!!! If you would like a study of the Greek in John 1:1-18, I'd be glad to send you my study on it if you are so interested in the original languages. It doesn't change the meanings as the english translations are very accurate! Name: Slitter #130 Date: Fri May 05 06:04:20 1989 Yes, I've heard that intrepretation as well as some others (e.g., camel is a mistranslation of "camel hair rope). The only way to read the Bible in context is to read the Bible in Hebrew Frankly, I simply don't care enough to make that particular effort. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Fri May 05 14:30:10 1989 "in context"? I've glanced at genesis IN CONTEXT and drawn completely different conclusions than anyone else....there is no IN CONTEXT since everyone's views are subjective. And like Doom said, you're stopping my car to warnme about the road, when you don't know what the road ahead is like. Fine, I listen, but I disagree. BUt for some reason as my car continues down the road, the people I said bye too grab onto the hood and try and pull me back.. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Fri May 05 16:47:52 1989 And get squahed.. or better yet, they fall off the hood right into one of those potholes they were warning me about...I trust my driving skills, thank you very much. I like this example. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Fri May 05 23:07:27 1989 They act like the path is all through Webster. Worst streets in hell (no pun intended if you thought that was one). ^Great word Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sat May 06 16:37:06 1989 Signs on the Path.. are there signs like "Heavenly maintainence begins", or "Adopt a Highway, the next 1/2 mile is sponsored by the Arc Angel Guild 801" "Deer Crossing" "Christ Crossing" etc? Name: Doomer #20 Date: Sat May 06 19:53:48 1989 Guilt perhaps.. Sort of a sign saying "You Went The Wrong Way, Asshole", methinks. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sun May 07 14:43:55 1989 Heh. "I Brake For Heathens".. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Sun May 07 15:25:11 1989 Yes, I do agree that there will be "road signs" along the way, many of them put up by the enemy to lead you the wrong way. What if the "road inspector" (read: The head honcho) put out a road map guide to inform us of the road conditions? Wouldn't it be considered a WISE move on our part to check out the guide to see what's "up the road"? Assuming that the guide or "map" is put out by the proper "authorities" can we not trust it to advise us of the safest travel??? I contend therefore that the Bible is God's Roadmap to eternal traveling. Don't depend on raod signs that can be easily altered, look to the official roadmap before embarking. We can warn you about the road hazzards because the "map" points them out. We have it on good authority so to speak. Fire EScape Name: Snappy #98 Date: Fri May 05 04:07:09 1989 Excuse my language mistake, but nonetheless... King James version of 1st Corinthians 13, just for an example, is completly different from other ENGLISH translations of the same chapter. How can each be accurate, when they are in the same language, yet completely different? If English translations are that different, how can you expect translations from Koine Greek to be any better? With the Bibles many contradictions and ommissions, which verses do you follow? Which of the many differing translations do you follow after you have decided which contradiction is really what is meant?þò Seems to me, that if God loves us all, he'll make sure we'll follow the right path, or if we don't make sure we'll end up in the righ$ãt place. I hope you find God down your path, I truly do. I also know he is at the end of mine as well. You are not going to be able to show me otherwise because the God I worship is reasonable. My advice to you, is to follow your path until you come to the conclusion you want it to have instead of directing traffic. Even if my path is not the best way to God, at least I am moving on it. You're merely standing still òón trying to force your path on other people. Name: Slitter #130 Date: Fri May 05 06:10:14 1989 I would venture to guess with the wide variety of people who wrote the actual books of the Bible, the original would probably be in several languages. I know Luke was Greek, but I'll bet some of the others weren't. They probably wrote in their native language as they could hardly have known that their writings would eventually be collected and published together. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Fri May 05 00:20:25 1989 Of course not.. If they had, theywould have probably gotten the stories straight. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Fri May 05 15:30:30 1989 I think all 4 gospels were written in rough Greek. (Hey just learned that 2 weeks ago. Who would have guessed it would be useful.) Their native language was Araimic I think. John's gospel is a little better in writting since he knew Greek better (something synonomous to that). BTW, the John who wrote that Gospel was not PROBABLLY the same John who was the apostle since ny the time that Gospel was written he would have been at least 90 or so. Also the author of Mathew is unknown and it could just be a collection stories about the life of Jesus that circulated around to different towns. Name: Slitter #130 Date: Fri May 05 18:10:44 1989 Also, Luke spent his entire life searching for Jesus in order to meet him. He never found him though. His book is based entirely on stories (perhaps he alsinterviewed some disciples or something). Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Sun May 07 15:41:09 1989 It is true that Greek has many concepts and grammatical quirks that are difficult to translate to english, but despite the various renderings, any good commentary or greek to english lexicon will tell you plainly what the words orriginally conveyed. Commentaries on the books and passages of the Bible are helpful in gaining deeper insights into the phrases, but the primary messages are easily understood. Much like you can determine that a cake is indeed a cake by examination. Then further examination will tell you that not only is the cake a cake, but it is a chocolate, two layered cake that has this particular flavor. Just because you didn't immediately understand the detailed analysis doesn't mean that you didn't know the general meaning. For example, The greek rendering of the english words 'Only begotten' in John 1:18 is MONOGENEES. We can understand somewhat that only begotten implys something unique, while understanding the Greek would further tell us that this means "Of the same nature, stock, race, or family. Unique and related." Thus when we speak of Jesus as the "Monogenees theos", we understand that this title teaches that Jesus is of the SAME nature, race, family and stock as The Father, thus Fully God. Greek can enhance our understanding. But is not essential to understanding. Willingness to be taught is the only prerequisite for understanding... Fire Escape Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sun May 07 16:37:14 1989 So what do we do when the road map contradicts itself? You don't need a road map. God in his ultimate Wisdom gave us the benefit of experience, values, thought, etc. All anyone needs to do to get to the right place is merely follow their nose. Name: Ironman #120 Date: Mon May 08 03:25:39 1989 If the road map APPEARS contradictory: 1. Check to ensure that you have the right map. 2. ASK someone. IRON-"Your Shell Answer Man"-MAN Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Mon May 08 06:40:06 1989 But.. the road map is vague, the roads it displays just bristling with irrevelency and frequently turning back upon itself. Plus, it is entirely one sided, warning of bad road conditions while I drive thru there and see nothing wrong with it whatsoever. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Mon May 08 12:14:24 1989 Since the Cannons have been closed for so long.. How do we know that road conditions haven't changed with works of God that are not mentioned? Name: Doomer #20 Date: Mon May 08 17:15:40 1989 How do we know that those parts of the map that were excluded don't contain important bits of information. I have a good sense of direction, methinks I will try and find my own way, thanks anyway. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Wed May 10 15:21:37 1989 Plus we can read the map if we want too. No one has shove it in front of us. These examples are great. Name: Slitter #130 Date: Wed May 10 23:10:07 1989 God = AAA????? Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Thu May 11 11:56:31 1989 AAA is fallible. God isn't. So you folks don't want to examine the map, that's cool. We have fulfilled our obligations to you by warning you and telling you how to get to heaven. If you wanna follow another map, that's your right. I guess that wraps up this discussion. Just one thing, On the last day when you're in the "goat" line looking across at us in the "sheep" line, don't try and blame us for your mistake. No, "Why didn't you tell me" crap. Well, have a wonderful trip, I'd take traveler's checks though. Fire Escape Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sun May 07 16:39:24 1989 And life itself is greatest Teacher of all. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Mon May 08 06:42:33 1989 FE's saying that you know generally what the translation means. You've got the general gist of what the original manuscripts were saying. What a thing to follow.. Name: Crystal Warrior #25 Date: Mon May 08 23:35:59 1989 All I know is.. "SOMETHING" must have made me, ãause I didn't evolve from no god-damn ape. That theory is bull-shit. the only part of the bible I'm interested in is revelations. Aplocalypse type shit...I'de love to know all the sings n stuff. Aren§t the 4 Horse Man: Famine, Pestalince, War, and Death? Well...we've had famine now for a long time, and slowly starting to become world wide as the droubt continues through many continents. 2.I read in some magazine that like all these MASSIVE swarms of locus and killer bees are on their way up from south america and are expected to arrive in the U.S in the year of 93. Is this not part of pestalince? And I remember some quote saying that everything in the seas will come forth. Well, member our grande little oil spil thats sent every fish and sea animal for thousands of miles dead washed up on the beaches..supposedly the worst oil spill ever. Oh and by the way...here's something you Republicans won't like. Reagon was also 666. He attempted to unite all the countries into one...just like it says the anti-christ would do. If anyone else is interested in this stuff, might I suggest a very powerful and intreaging book. "Strangers Amoung Us" Is the name...and it deals with what I have been talking bout...mainly the end of the world. It based on bible studers and the bible itself along with many of the worlds most gifted psychics who deal with biblical stuff. Freaked the shit out of me....it all made sence too.