Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sat Apr 29 15:40:04 1989 I'll supply the gas! Name: Ironman #120 Date: Mon May 01 16:52:48 1989 Hard to run someone over, Gryphon, with a YUGO ˇ HAH ! Pretty good one, huh boss ? Oh, stop it, it's just a JOKE ˇ ( hmmm, another nice post utilizing timely and very attractive exclamation points . ) Name: Doomer #20 Date: Mon May 01 23:03:28 1989 Is this another one of your desperate ploys to make us see how utterly astounded you are left by our posts or do you really think you're entertaining? Gryph: Good one, I like that. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Tue May 02 12:00:14 1989 Running over people.. I guess you have the right to run over a person if you want, but if I was driving along and someone wanted to warn me about the road, I sure as hell would stop and at least hear what he had to say, it could be a very fatal mistake to run the guy down only to fall throw a hole in the next bridge. Sure we didn't build "our" road, if we had, we would all have chosen to travel it in the first place, but Jesus said that no one would choose the "right" road unless God pointed it out to them (John 6:44) and becons them. How do we know that "our" path is the only safe path? It's safe ONLY because it alone leads to God, all the others fall short. According to Jesus' own words in John 14:6 "I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. No one comes to God the Father except through ME." It's NOT WE who claim Jesus is the ONLY way, but Jesus said it first. We are just repeating what he told us. ALL paths are NOT going the same way. Jesus himself made that clear in Matthew 7:13-14, "Enter in through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow THE ROAD (Note:singular) that leads to life, only a few find it." also in John 10:7-9, the SAME idea here... "I tell you the truth, I AM the Gate (singular again) for the sheep. All who ever came before me were theives and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I AM the Gate; whoever enters THROUGH ME will be saved." Name: Headless Chicken #6 Date: Thu Apr 27 15:47:42 1989 Mr. Ed, I petition that this board be renamed "Holy Ghost Stories." Name: Snappy #98 Date: Thu Apr 27 17:10:26 1989 First off, I don't remeber who that post was directed against, if you consider my request to stop stereotyping a request for you to attack me, be my guest, it only shows your deficiencys. As far as being easier to say Christians as opposed to Fire Escape, Ironman, Warrior of the son, etc. etc.. That mentality is why people say all blacks are this, and Italians are that, and Jews are this and whites....well you get the picture. If you need to generalize, find a more rational way to do so. Fire Escape... Quit cramming the Bible down my and everyone elses throat. If I wanted to read the bible, I would read the bible. If you cannot come up with your own original thoughts, or think that your original thoughts are so weak that you need to find a Bible passage to fit to them then chances are they are not worth saying. It is one thing to be a winess, it is quite another to ram your beliefs at other people in the hopes that they will surrender their personal values and beliefs which are jsut as good as anything you want them to change to. The Bible is fiction. My belief is that it is fiction based on fact. But it is a fictional work. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. Call the Library if you don't believe me. If you resort to respnding to this with silly quotes, you will be wasting your time. Name: Ironman #120 Date: Fri Apr 28 17:02:10 1989 Brother, you guys are something else. Snappy: "I'm a christian, but quit 'cramming' the Bible down my throat!" " IF I wanted to read the Bible, I would . " " The Bible is fiction " ! and the topper, "If your original thoughts are so weak that you need to find a Bible passage to fit to them then chances are they are not worth saying." Well,.............. seeing that repeated in black and white sort of says it all. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Fri Apr 28 19:45:35 1989 FE: Bah, notice who said all those things? MEN. And as for stereotyping...I could get a very UNUSUAL cookie cutter for you...heh....really, tho, I think that this stereotyping is more an atitude AWAY from socially or otherwise. I base MY stereotyping (Heh, I like this sentence) on atitudes towards religion and thoughts thereof. You fit. Perfectly. Snappy: Not once have I put the word "All" in front of "Christians". Never. Tell me that when I talk about Christians you really WANT me to name everyones name! Come ON! HC: Heh, I like that, I second the motion. Name: Gryphon #21 Date: Sat Apr 29 08:23:53 1989 Snappy: Puhleeze....why should Jk stop saying "Xians" just becaue of you? We get lumpd into the giant "you" category.."why don't you read the bible?" "why don't you try for yourself" and don't bitch about it...it's ob vious to all who our replies are to, mostly FE, Ironman... Name: Snappy #98 Date: Sat Apr 29 15:55:30 1989 It just seems like I get lumped into the category sometimes, and if that is going to happen (referal to Christians as a whole) I want everyone to know where I stand. Christianity is not the bullshit that some members here are trying to cram down everyone elses throat. The people that you guys talk about and lable as Christians are close minded and won't listen, yet get very upset when people won't listen to them. Ironman's last post is a great example of that. He cannot handle the fact that the Bible is a fictional work. Instead of either checking into the matter and finding out that my statement is correct, he attacks me. Ironically enough, upon reading that post, I find the statements/arguments of mine that he mentions to be even more sound. How about calling the Ironman/FE/WOS etc, "Evangelists"? I think this term is a little better suited! Name: Ironman #120 Date: Mon May 01 17:08:51 1989 Oh, Snappy, ya nuggle-head you ! I wasn't attacking you, I was trying oint out what are, at least to me, some amazing statements made by a person who has said that he considers himself a Christian. CHRISTian to me and most other people implies a follower of Christ. So , where do we learn about Christ ? Down at the local 7-11 ? No, I don't believe so. From the Bible ? Yes, I would say so . By the was written in 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is God-breathed". A L L. If you have been given some personal revelation, Snappy, or anyone else for that matter, I'd aprreciate hearing of it. No, I wouldn't appreciate hearing it, I'd kiss your *** to hear it . That's how much value I put on the Word of God. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Mon May 01 20:23:46 1989 The Cannons were closed for some stupid reason... Does that mean God stopped breathing? Name: Doomer #20 Date: Mon May 01 23:22:25 1989 Bahahhahahah Snappy: I love it! Ironman: Then why were only select books excepted? If God had so much more for us to hear why should we be deprived of ANY of it? Because HUMANS decided that. And HUMANS decided that "All scripture" god breathed on. (I know that's not what you meant, alright?) Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Tue May 02 12:17:05 1989 Canon and inspiration: The word canon comes from the root word "reed" (Hebrew: ganeh/ Greek:Kanon). The "reed" was used as a measureing rod and eventually came to mean "standard". The word "canon" as applied to the Scriptures means "an officially accepted list of books." One thing to keep in mind is that the church did not create the canon or the books included in what we call Scripture. Instead, the church recognised the books that were inspired from their inception since they were inspired by God when they were written. Their were certain tests for a book for inclusion in the canon. here are the guidelines. 1) Is it authoritative? (Did it come from the hand of God?) 2) Is it prophetic? (Was it written by a man of God?) 3) Is it authentic? (If in doubt - throw it out) 4) Is it dynamic? (Did it have a life transforming power?) 5) Was it received, collected, read and used? (was it accepted by the people of God). You see, we Christians who accept the teachings of Jesus Christ, also accept the whole Bible because if we cannot accept part of the Bible, then we could not accept ANY of it, even the account of Jesus's death and resurrection. For It is the SAME people who recorded the gospel accounts, that wrote the remainder of the New testament. The whole faith rests on the inspiration and authority of Scripture. If you remove this foundation, you end up with any number of selfstyled "christians" who rewrite the gospel according to their fancy. We are not at liberty to pick and choose Scripture, we must accept all of it. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Tue May 02 15:51:50 1989 You cannot prove to me that my path is the wrong path. How do you know you aren't headed for Detroit instead of Heaven? And once again. Stop quoting the Bible over and over. I can pick out random quotes here and there and use them out of context just as well as you. If you want me to, I will. Name: Doomer #20 Date: Tue May 02 17:39:32 1989 No..in this instance I think its good® FE: Notice in that quote how it not only used singular for the 'right' path but for your 'broad' PATH (Not PATH>S<) so does that mean that there is only one road to Hell also? You're logic says that I can go to hell by doing THESE things but these over here will only affect me a little bit...Also, no one can see what lies on the road ahead, so what gives some guy walking along the side of the road the right to tell me what's up ahead if he himself hasn't even been there yet? None. Name: Slitter #130 Date: Tue May 02 23:50:56 1989 "It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" That is probably not word for word. Better give away your computers everybody! God apparently has no pity on the person who has material gains. If you can't decide who to give it to...E-Mail me. Name: Utwo #109 Date: Wed May 03 15:34:30 1989 FE: But if we keep getting stopped by all these people on the side of the road telling else to go the same way we'll be late. hehe But my point is so many people tell us the same stuff and then they say it again when it is only necessary for us to hear it once and then a reminder every year not every minute. Name: Fire Escape #65 Date: Fri May 05 02:06:43 1989 The Eye of the Needle.. Was a special door to the city that camel's passed through to get into the city. It was a small entryway that allowed them passage, but their goods had to be removed from their backs in order for them to pass through it. So it's not IMPOSSIBLE for the camel to go through the "eye" just difficult if he is clinging to his "riches". If you would read the WHOLE New testament IN CONTEXT (how much MORE in context can you get dare I ask??) you will plainly see that it was (and still is) the BIBLICAL belief that Jesus and FAITH IN HIM is the only way to heaven. I quote the bible ONLY because I am trying to support my belief and show you that it's not just MY belief, but the belief of all of BIBLICAL Christianity as well. Name: Ironman #120 Date: Fri May 05 02:44:57 1989 Nice post FE... As you all point out frequently, and rightly so, take it in context. Name: Snappy #98 Date: Tue May 02 15:46:38 1989 Revelations made it into the Bible by ONE VOTE! ONE VOTE! Gee, do you think that maybe someone could have voted the wrong way because of misinterpretation? Kind of makes me wonder about the books that missed by one vote. I am one of those self-styled Christians who translate--not rewrite the gospel according to my fancy. I am of the belief that the Bible was written to me and for me. Just as the Bible was written to you and for you. That is what makes it so powerful. It fits everyones life uniquely. Since you still persist in quoting the Bible to support your point of veiw, and based on the fact that you do not like it when people translate from what you consider to be written by God, please hence forth quote the work only in its original language of Hebrew. That way we can make sure that it is alacking in the flaws you mention...