Name: Jk #18
Date: Thu Mar 30 19:00:43 1989

HEY!  You can't tell Gwif what to do!  He's an interdimensional 
hyperpowerfulomnipotentandbasicallyprettyneetokeenspif-type Superior Life 
Phorm.  

And it IS his Bible...

(Think of it  this way...if I heard correctly, not a little mockery of 
Darwin's theory was done not too long ago...  That's BLASPHEMY, d00d.)


Name: Doomer #20
Date: Thu Mar 30 20:00:27 1989

Jk: SCORE!!!!! 2 points for the heathens...

Fe: Hey, we already decided that I, as Vice-Deity in charge of Internal and 
Extra-marrital Affairs, would be the d00d to go down amoung ALL the little 
people and make fun of their infinite ignorance, make pretend that I wanted to 
teach them, and then laugh at them behind their backs.  Then, I'd slip a 
little Morphine in right before I LET them kill me, and then Gwif could just 
cast a Ressurect spell on me and we could look at all the faces of the people 
when they saw me alive and giggle at the stupid expressions on their faces.

AND -I- get to send the flood to kill all the people so that we can look at 
THEIR faces.

Gryph: That was really cool! You've gotta buffer that and print it out, dude, 
I want a copy of it!!

     Oh, and don't forget, I also get to make nice little diseases like 
Homosexuality and Manic Depressiveness to make people to do things that I gtet 
(get) to send them to Hell for, so that I can look at THEIR faces!

     Aren't we SWELL (Er, neato keen...spif) gods? Hmmm, but we need another 
dude so that we can be like a Trinity (Another something that those airhead 
peons made up, but we so hate to disappoint them...) Hmmm, I'd suggest Stex 
but he got demoted....I'll talk to the Interdimensional Congress about it.


Name: Gryphon #21
Date: Thu Mar 30 20:23:37 1989

Doom: RIghto...I'll continue it when I *don't* have a 103 fever and extreme 
exhaustion like I do now. 

FE: I was proving a point. Anyone can write a book. Anyone can write a story 
of creation. Mine's as believable as the Bible....and phunnier as well. 

And, oh, I created my human beings perfect. I figured, omnipotence, hey, might 
as well. But wait..there is no perfection. Why? What is perfect to one is 
imperfect to another. There are no absolutes in life, d00dette..(heh)..light 
always has a flicker of dark, and the darkest room has a sliver of light. 
Nothing can be perfect because perfect is subjective. Ask any two people on 
their idea of perfection. They can't agree. Same with good and evil. To a, 
lesse, pagan African tribesman, cannibalism may be good...you are honoring 
your ancestors by dining on their flesh. (eew..) But to us and most others, 
it's typified as evil....there is no "pure evil" or "pure good". 

Gwif, I hate being sick.....this gwifdamned cold is driving me fruit..so if 
the thoughts are fractured, sorry!

Jk: Want to be the third part of our Trinity? I need a cool, calculating, 
reasonable side to counteract the evil pagan bad dude old testamentish Doom 
and the allgood neatokeenspifish me...

Doom again: I've got it buffered and edited..will print it out for you. Mayeb 
sell it...but no, it'd probably be banned from stores and I'd be threatened 
with death..


Name: Headless Chicken #6
Date: Fri Mar 31 00:33:41 1989

And yet with all of these Dieties crwaling around, not one can get a stupid 
board to tell them my PO box number.


Name: Jk #18
Date: Fri Mar 31 02:10:10 1989

Wowzers...a Trinity.  We are already all one being anyway (N-k0m), so it 
shouldn't be too big a jump...

HC: What?  Did you forget it?


Name: Doomer #20
Date: Fri Mar 31 03:05:45 1989

Sorry, I keep forgetting, Hc...I'll remember SOMEDAY.
Gryph: Cool.  I want a copy at the next bash if you can handle it...

The Holy Trinity is formed...never mind that no one knew of/thought of 
something like that before 3/4 of the way thru the NEW Testament...Bah, did 
the OTHER two d00ds just 'pop' out of nnothingness? Were the HS and Christ 
just chillin' during the OLD Testament or were they non existant....and if 
they existed why were they just lying there doing nothing? Because me and Jk 
are lazzy asses and we let Gryph do all the organizing so that WE can laugh at 
it.
     Hey, anyone read the Sun recently? Christs' second coming is upon us, 
d00ds.  Everyone! Quick! Convert!!


Name: Utwo #109
Date: Fri Mar 31 14:52:34 1989

I'll be the guy to document and distribute the book.  Hey may be I'll make a 
few of my own interpretations.  Now just a FEW you know nothing big.  Just 
enough to get the people to listen to every word I say and obey it.  Of course 
all in the name of Gwif >All hail Gwif<!
 
Weally Gwif?
 

Name: Fire Escape #65
Date: Tue Apr 04 14:25:36 1989

Excuse me?  Doomer I take it that you have never studied Hebrew a day in your
life have you?  If you look at the orriginal language of the Old Testament you
will see a good number of strange words that are commonly called
Singular-Plurals,  it was the closest human word to describe an entity that
was one yet composed of a plurality of being.  Deuteronomy 6:4 commonly called
the "shem" in Judaism perfectly reflects the concept of the Trinity in the
orriginal language. The insights comes from the last word "echod" which is
used to describe something that is one yet more than one.  It boggles the
mind.  Don't go making blanket denials of what the Bible does and doesn't say
or teach until you have actually studied it PLEASE!?!
 
                                    Fire Escape

Name: Utwo #109
Date: Tue Apr 04 16:01:59 1989

I didn't feel like reading it all but I skimmed the first page and half or so.
 
I'll just make a quick comment on herem.  The Hebrews divided everything they 
got from their conquered places (jewelry and valuable stuff) and they either 
said it was sacred or profane. The sacred stuff was stored in a treasury like 
to worship God and the profane was destroyed.  Then they went about and 
destroyed everything left.  It was way to keep the Hebrews from getting 
envious of each others possesions.
 
Just thought I'd give a diferent way to describe that.  Although it says the 
same thing.  I think.
 

Name: Ironman #120
Date: Tue Apr 04 17:12:05 1989

Thanks FE.


Name: Jk #18
Date: Tue Apr 04 17:59:07 1989

Okay now FE, you say God was justifed in favoring the Hebrews and letting them 
destroy several "heathen" cities.  What happened?  Did the Allmighty, 
All-Loving God lose his temper and throw a fit?  I thought he promted FREE 
WILL, which included the RIGHT to be "indolent"...now he kills thousands of 
people because they exercise that free will?

Sounds like "You have free will AS LONG AS you do everything I say..."


Name: Doomer #20
Date: Tue Apr 04 18:32:40 1989

Reminds me of a song by Metallica, Eye of the Beholder:

Independence Limited
Freedom of Choice is made for you my friend
Freedom of Speech is words that they will bend
Freedom with their exception.

Gaunt: If you really believe that, then I pity you.  And I thought that NORMAL 
Christians were blind!

FE: Thankyou for clearing that up, that reason is better than none.  The bible 
is too damn big, I've decided. :)


Name: Headless Chicken #6
Date: Tue Apr 04 23:03:12 1989

Thanx, FE.  That was long, but quite interesting.  It seems to basically say, 
"Well, sorry folks, I've had enough, TIME TO DIE!"  Not wonderful, but the 
point about the tumour is well taken.  I must disagree with your statements 
about the women and children propagating the "old life" if they were spared.  
I mean look at the Romans, after the Christains came in and "showed them the 
Way," they seemed to do all right.  Now why couldn't the Jews have taken these 
ones that were left and "educated" them to the ways of God?  It would have 
been the humanitarian thing to do.

For some reason, I still can't agree with the above philosphy of killing that 
which offends.  It seems that eventually things would end up very 
totalitarianistic.  Also, should we begin condemming homosexuals?  Seems like 
we should just exterminate them for "The Glory of God."  I mean, that's what 
he did once, why not again?  Has he been "enlightened?"

Anyway, you'll always have more questions than answers, but try to answer 
something, even if the answer is a question.


Name: Gryphon #21
Date: Wed Apr 05 13:43:54 1989

Interesting and very noble-sounding, but it still left something to be 
desired....for a god who doesn't want to interfere with his beloved people, 
then he sure does interfere a helluva lot...I mean, "free will", then he goes 
and nukes a few thousand people. Must be nice. I don't care what evil they 
did...I'm thrilled that such a nice service was done, but that doesn't diguise 
the fact that the deed *was* done...he's marching around determining that 
"These people should live, and....hmmm...these should die." Real freedom of 
choice there, eh? 

Siiigh. And a note on the Canaanites, which is better? Killing off the 
straggling, old, weak, infirm...or killing off all of the strong, young, 
neatokeen ones? When looked at in the perspective of "they were going to kill 
some Israelites, it was only a matter of deciding which ones", their choice 
was pretty nice.

Why is my keyboard making these strange noises? Hmmm..


Name: Utwo #109
Date: Wed Apr 05 17:44:35 1989

Because there's a "strange" user using it. hehe
Doom:  Same hear.  And it's all repetitious (sp?) too.
 
Does the Bible ever describe what a demon is?  Just wondering how that belief 
came about.
 

Name: Gauntlet #10
Date: Wed Apr 05 18:32:54 1989

Think about it Doom, Need I tell you HOW I feel on the subject? (It was
sarcasm, Doom. You know me enoguh to get my sarcasm... well, maybe not.)
 

Name: Doomer #20
Date: Thu Apr 06 00:26:52 1989

The only sarcasm I've heard out of you, Gaunt, is the kind that starts "Yeah, 
I -MIGHT-..etc. etc." So Nyah.

Another thing, if God can 'remove' a tumour that was inphesting this land, 
does that mean its ok if I go to my neighbors house and blow him away for 
dealing drugs? Oh, sorry, I forgot, only God is allowed to kill the bad 
guys...and we crucify the good guys.  Got it straight now.


Name: Fire Escape #65
Date: Fri Apr 07 16:00:14 1989

Justification for judgement..  You are close Doomer, although I know you
probably meant it sarcastically, God is the only one who has the complete
right to judge, pass sentence and excecute.  Only the one without sin
(imperfection) can cast the stone so to speak, and since there is none who are
perfect save for God himself, He is the only judge. 

   Why didn't the Jews retrain the Canaanite Women and Children? Because God 
commanded them to annihilate the WHOLE tribe, to do so would have brough 
judgement upon themselves for disobediance.  God was opperating under the 
principle of THE LAW, this was a strict time in history when he was teaching 
man that living under THE LAW was a hopeless task and offered NO HOPE for 
salvation.  If God had initially implemented the plan of GRACE (Through Faith) 
then mankind would have continued onward vainly thinking that they COULD do it 
all by THE LAW.

   It was a necessary lesson to learn, as we have already looked at in the 
PURPOSE of THE LAW, was to point out our complete failure to justify ourselves 
according to it.  The Law had strict judgements, and unfortunately, many chose 
to excercise their freedom in the face of those laws. Sure we have the freedom 
to choose to live evilly, but that freedom has a price.  If you father gives 
you the freedom of driving the car then you also have a RESPONSIBILITY to the 
OWNER of that car (the Father) to follow certain expectations of that 
priviledge.  If you trash that car IN YOUR FREEDOM, you have to pay for it. 
That responsibility doesn't DENY your freedom, but teaches you that NO FREEDOM 
is without responsibility and accountability to the one in authority.

   God is the Authority and in our freedom we are accountable to him.
                Fire Escape


Name: Ironman #120
Date: Tue Apr 04 17:39:24 1989

Once again, Thanks Fire Escape.
And Gryphon, you're right, anyone can write a story.  

    Still doesn't say anything about what happened 2000 years ago,does it ?

I like FE's point:  Would YOU be willing to die for a fellow sinner ?


Name: Jk #18
Date: Tue Apr 04 18:10:09 1989

If I was an omnipotent God and therefore had no RISK involved...sure, why not?